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Finally: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5251829-boasberg-trump-contempt/amp/ Judge orders contempt proceedings for Trump administration. It’s well past time. Throw Tom Homan in jail already.

He has but he also spends most of his time trying to offer a legal defense for Trump’s actions, so I suspect he really does care.

This is actually the MAGA argument. They don’t care that the law is being broken because they like the result. Certain posters like @RaiderHaters Revenge and @Strike won’t admit this. They are trying to argue that the laws actually DO allow for the Trump administration to do what they did here,. But they are failing badly, proven wrong at every turn, because it’s an unsustainable argument. Other posters like @jbycho are more honest: they simply believe the ends justifies the means and say so. They have no problem with Trump trying to impose an authoritarian dictatorship: that’s what they want.

Again none of this is true. You’re just asserting nonsense here, and you have for a couple days now.

I think some of these pro-Hamas protestors have made absolute fools of themselves. But that’s their right so long as they’re peaceful. Obviously they don’t have the right to be violent, or to harass Jews or students who disagree with them. To the issue at hand I think the Trump Administration is cynically using the issue of anti-semitism in order to attack the independence of universities as they stand in the way of the authoritarian dictatorship that Trump seeks to impose on this country. Following the pattern of Orban, Erdogan and other strong men, he is attempting to weaken the press, law firms, the courts, universities. All part of the plan. I’m glad Harvard is standing up to this,

The law is the law. We need to do everything we can to get him back. If El Salvador doesn’t agree, cut off their aid. They’ll agree quickly, Honestly you’ve been embarrassing yourself all day with your arguments on this issue. You’re just completely wrong; so is the Trump Administration, but they know they’re wrong. They’re doing it as a test case to see how far they can get away with subverting the Constitution. That’s their excuse; not sure what yours is.

It isn’t. He has to be returned to the US.

It’s pretty meaningless, guy. It’s not going to result in removing most of them (I keep telling you there will be more undocumented people here in 4 years than there are now) and it will just be rescinded by the next President, whoever that is (it will be a Democrat.) Eventually we’re going to have to grant most of these folks amnesty and some kind of legal recognition. It’s the only workable solution.

Pretty sure I’m not on Team Hamas either.

Not nationalists in the way you would define nationalism. Certainly not at all analogous to American nationalism, a term which is has been co-opted anyhow. It would take me too long to explain here. Bottom line is that there is no contradiction, or even irony, in my point of view.

Why?

Nazis too. Which is why I brought up Ernest.

Is this supposed to be an insult? I love Olive Oil.

I wasn’t aware that Ernest Roehm posted here.

I always thought Hammer Control meant less MC Hammer and Armie Hammer, which I strongly support.

I thought you were a serious poster. My bad, I stand corrected.

Here is what we know: He hates Shapiro. He would have attacked him with a hammer (like Paul Pelosi.) He’s unemployed and lives with his parents. He was a mechanic. He has several children. And that’s it. Everthing else is speculation at this point. We don’t know if he’s liberal or conservative, MAGA or leftist. We don’t know why he did this. @Hardcore troubadour is also wrong as usual; this remains a #1 news story; I’ve heard it reported at the top of every hour.

I don’t think so. And you already lost all credibility with your 80-20 claim in the other thread that turned out to be completely false.

Where does it say he was a liberal?

@peenie I agree with your overall sense of the hypocrisy here. But I disagree with your use of the word “slave”. It’s actually, IMO, an insult to those Americans whose ancestors were actual slaves. These people are certainly paid low wages but they are paid. And even the low level of their wages is relative since in most cases they receive far more spending power than they were would have received at home. Furthermore they are free to quit at any time. They can’t be sold, they aren’t whipped, they don’t fear death if they leave the plantation…”slave” just isn’t accurate.

A person can commit an illegal action. Depending on the nature of that illegal action, a person can be called a “criminal”. (Entering this country without proper papers is either a misdemeanor or a low level felony depending on circumstances and does not by itself make a person a “criminal”). A person can NEVER be “illegal” in a free society. Illegal is an act. To a call a person that is to dehumanize them. That is an aspect of a dictatorship.

I am Jewish, consider myself a Zionist, and have in the past donated money to Israel and Zionist causes and will likely do so in the future. I am also sympathetic to the Palestinians, deplore the actions of the current Israeli government, support most of the college protests against that government’s actions (depending on rhetoric and peaceful nature), strongly support free speech on our college campuses. I don’t see any contradiction here. I assure you there are many Jews who feel as I do.

I agree with this. Trump does not; he is willing to dole out money to universities so long as they agree with his agenda. But personally I share your principle: let’s just cut off all of the ones who can afford to operate without our help.

This was supposed to be part of the immigration bill last year that Trump instructed Republicans to oppose.

To your first point, I don't believe this is a new claim or a clarification of a previous claim. The “rival gang” stuff apparently never came out of any court proceeding; it was fabricated either on the internet or from a conservative news site that simply made it up. To your second point I’m glad you’re on the side of due process. Now what? Since the Trump administration has stated they have no intention of trying to get this guy back, do they deserve to be held in contempt? Do you regard this as a constitutional crisis?