The Real timschochet

It depends on what you disagree with them about.

Oh no I certainly posted that. I don’t think I said all though; I think I said most; and I was specifically referring to MAGA types. And of course I wasn’t referring to your “hot wife”; she told me she voted for Kamala anyhow. (Pillow talk.)

This is also false. And I’m surprised because normally you don’t make stuff up. What I wrote then, and still believe, is that anyone who voted for Trump was either unaware of his statements on race, willing to accept his statements on race, or agreed with his statements on race. One of the three- there are no other options. It wasn’t a particularly controversial statement IMO. I also acknowledged that there were many people who are not racist who don’t think Trump is a racist. However I didn’t understand how anyone paying attention didn’t think he was a racist. I still don’t.

I think you’re right about this. I can’t deny the point that when leftists get upset they tend to react with more violence. But- I think this has to do with the right by definition being more content with the way things are and the left looking for change- and also because the riots most often occur in inner cities where the frustration level is already high.

Oh leftists hate me for sure and I have no love for them in return. I know people think I’m a leftist but in truth most of my “liberal” beliefs are based on libertarianism. I’m a liberal free market capitalist- that’s the key to my views on free trade and open immigration. Nonetheless I still think you’re conflating peaceful socialists and violent Communists and it’s simply incorrect to do so.

I said he was a Trump supporter the same way Scalise’s attacker was a Bernie supporter. I was trying to make a point that IT DOESNT MATTER WHO THEY SUPPORT because they’re evil or crazy or both! You guys need to stop making this about conservative vs liberal. It’s evil and crazy vs the rest of us. Stop using these incidents to blame people. It’s disgusting.

Part of the problem are these guys spreading falsehoods all the time. Pelosi’s attacker was a leftist? The Minnesota shooter was a leftist? Where do they get this stuff?

Sorry no

No it isn’t.

No you’re wrong. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/the-man-accused-of-attacking-paul-pelosi-with-a-hammer-says-he-wanted-to-end-corruption He was a Qanon Trump fan. Sorry.

No, I wrote that your loving praise of Trump was similar to the poems written to Stalin in the 30s. And it was.

What? Where did you get that from?

If I had choose one person in this forum most guilty of spewing irresponsible, hateful rhetoric, it would quite easily be you. I was hoping what happened yesterday taught you a lesson. It doesn’t appear that it has.

OK. Please stop wasting everyone’s time.

And it was a Trump supporter who shot the guy in Minnesota and another Trump supporter who attacked Paul Pelosi. I don’t think we should go there with “supporters.” With regard to Marxism: it’s an all encompassing term that describes both socialists and Communists. As a general rule socialists have been non-violent and Communists have been violent. The break between them came about 120 years ago (the whole Bolshevik- Menshevik divide.) There are no prominent American Communists. The prominent American socialists are all non-violent.

Antifa is violent.i don’t believe BLM was involved in violence.

Who are the most prominent leftists in America today? I would argue: Bernie Sanders, AOC, and now Momdani. These three are the ones who openly and prominently carry the socialist banner, wouldn’t you agree? But none of them have ever promoted political violence.

I never said this either. I said that crime occurs most often when poverty exists, which is an obvious truth. Even so, if you go to the most poverty ridden areas of this country, the majority of people there are still law abiding and don’t commit crimes. So there are other elements involved.

What I wrote was neither an excuse nor an explanation. It was, for me, the truth. And no I don’t believe it applies to everyone. IMO there are people on both sides who deliberately use terrible and hateful language to describe the other side, KNOWING that it isn’t so. The most obvious example being, of course, Donald Trump. But that’s not what I was doing. Ever.

This is not correct. What I wrote at the time, and still firmly believe, was that it was wrong to conflate the peaceful protests with the riots and that in most cases they had nothing whatsoever to do with each other.

I was t trying to be cowardly. The discussion/disagreement between @Strike and @TheNewGirl is one that I think about a lot. I lean toward what Strike thinks (a rarity I know!) but I’m honestly unsure. One of my main objections in the numerous tranny threads is that I don’t believe the folks declaring transgenders to be mentally ill really know about the science of mental illness. They are arguing, IMO, based on their emotions about trannies, and not what science or medical experts say. It would therefore be entirely hypocritical of me to try and do the same thing here. I am no medical expert therefore I should not comment too strongly on what is and what is not mental illness, I don’t think others who haven’t studied this should either.

No I’m not. If you’re going to instruct me not to tell you what to do (even though I did use the word “please”) then stop telling me what I’m OK with.

OK we disagree.

I would argue that Tony loved his son and daughter. That wasn’t fake. So how do you square that with your beliefs?

Have I been guilty of criticizing conservatives for political violence in the past while ignoring violence from liberals? Sure. Am I a partisan? Yes. Your turn.