The Real timschochet

It’s pretty meaningless, guy. It’s not going to result in removing most of them (I keep telling you there will be more undocumented people here in 4 years than there are now) and it will just be rescinded by the next President, whoever that is (it will be a Democrat.) Eventually we’re going to have to grant most of these folks amnesty and some kind of legal recognition. It’s the only workable solution.

Pretty sure I’m not on Team Hamas either.

Not nationalists in the way you would define nationalism. Certainly not at all analogous to American nationalism, a term which is has been co-opted anyhow. It would take me too long to explain here. Bottom line is that there is no contradiction, or even irony, in my point of view.

Why?

Nazis too. Which is why I brought up Ernest.

Is this supposed to be an insult? I love Olive Oil.

I wasn’t aware that Ernest Roehm posted here.

I always thought Hammer Control meant less MC Hammer and Armie Hammer, which I strongly support.

I thought you were a serious poster. My bad, I stand corrected.

Here is what we know: He hates Shapiro. He would have attacked him with a hammer (like Paul Pelosi.) He’s unemployed and lives with his parents. He was a mechanic. He has several children. And that’s it. Everthing else is speculation at this point. We don’t know if he’s liberal or conservative, MAGA or leftist. We don’t know why he did this. @Hardcore troubadour is also wrong as usual; this remains a #1 news story; I’ve heard it reported at the top of every hour.

I don’t think so. And you already lost all credibility with your 80-20 claim in the other thread that turned out to be completely false.

Where does it say he was a liberal?

@peenie I agree with your overall sense of the hypocrisy here. But I disagree with your use of the word “slave”. It’s actually, IMO, an insult to those Americans whose ancestors were actual slaves. These people are certainly paid low wages but they are paid. And even the low level of their wages is relative since in most cases they receive far more spending power than they were would have received at home. Furthermore they are free to quit at any time. They can’t be sold, they aren’t whipped, they don’t fear death if they leave the plantation…”slave” just isn’t accurate.

A person can commit an illegal action. Depending on the nature of that illegal action, a person can be called a “criminal”. (Entering this country without proper papers is either a misdemeanor or a low level felony depending on circumstances and does not by itself make a person a “criminal”). A person can NEVER be “illegal” in a free society. Illegal is an act. To a call a person that is to dehumanize them. That is an aspect of a dictatorship.

I am Jewish, consider myself a Zionist, and have in the past donated money to Israel and Zionist causes and will likely do so in the future. I am also sympathetic to the Palestinians, deplore the actions of the current Israeli government, support most of the college protests against that government’s actions (depending on rhetoric and peaceful nature), strongly support free speech on our college campuses. I don’t see any contradiction here. I assure you there are many Jews who feel as I do.

I agree with this. Trump does not; he is willing to dole out money to universities so long as they agree with his agenda. But personally I share your principle: let’s just cut off all of the ones who can afford to operate without our help.

This was supposed to be part of the immigration bill last year that Trump instructed Republicans to oppose.

To your first point, I don't believe this is a new claim or a clarification of a previous claim. The “rival gang” stuff apparently never came out of any court proceeding; it was fabricated either on the internet or from a conservative news site that simply made it up. To your second point I’m glad you’re on the side of due process. Now what? Since the Trump administration has stated they have no intention of trying to get this guy back, do they deserve to be held in contempt? Do you regard this as a constitutional crisis?

If that guy was convicted that means he got his day in court, was found guilty, and now he goes away. Why should I weep? Also to correct you because you keep repeating the same nonsense: we are not making a fuss over this one guy: we are making a fuss over the SYSTEM

Can Trump throw accurately facing a pass rush in the pocket? Steelers are getting pretty desperate. At this point I’ll take anybody.

The other day you asserted that logically this guy must be a gang member since he told the court that if he was returned to his country of birth a rival gang would kill him. That logic actually made sense to me too. But now we have learned that, according to him, it wasn’t a rival gang; he was recruited to be a gang member (like all young males in his community) refused and was threatened with death. So it’s possible, if he is telling the truth about this (we don’t know) that he is not and has never been a gang member. This is why due process is so important. It’s scary to me that so many people are just willing to let it go in order to achieve a result they approve of. Perhaps you think, as so many conservatives do, that the threat of authoritarianism from Trump is exaggerated, but this sort of thing is how dictatorships begin.

They may be forced to make a further decision. First, however, a lower court is going to have act bravely. We’ll see if that happens.

Except that I didn’t bring up the question of public approval. It was @avoiding injuries who asserted that this was an 80-20 issue and liberals were on the wrong side. I thought that was wrong so I looked it up: I found several polls that all said the same thing. I didn’t find any polls that said differently so there was no cherry picking. I chose one and posted it. I did it to refute his assertion, but personally on an issue like this one I don’t care much about polling anyhow. If 99% of the public disagreed with me it wouldn’t affect my view which is: 1. If this dude is an undocumented alien who is also a member of a violent gang, he shouldn’t be here. Deport him and I don’t care what happens to him. 2. If he was deported by mistake, or if he didn’t get due process, that’s wrong. Everyone here, legal or illegal, deserves due process. He needs to be returned to the United States immediately, if only to get his day in court and then be deported again. 3. if the Trump administration refuses to obey the court’s instructions on this then they are in contempt of court and people need to go to jail until they comply. It’s that simple to me.

Lol you’re surprised by this? The dude is a racist, an anti-Semite, a fascist lover.

First you’re wrong about my opinion on the first issue; you shouldn’t generalize. Second, you read what I wrote, sparky. You’d make a good Brownshirt or Blackshirt. Not an SS guy; they’re typically a little smarter (and a lot more evil.)