The Real timschochet

First about history, and this is a response to @Hardcore troubadour as well. It is not correct to say that Israel has been willing to agree to a two state solution and the Palestinians have not. Both sides have ultimately blocked it because of three issues that they have not agreed on: both sides want control of Jerusalem, the Palestinians want the right of return to Israel for Palestinians who were dispossessed in 1948 and 1967, and Israel insists that its settlers that encroach upon the West Bank be allowed to remain (which would effectively cut any Palestinian state in half.) These disagreements were between the previous Israeli governments and Al-Fatah. Since the Netanyahu government and Hamas took over there have been NO discussions. Now to answer your second point which is even more complicated: you cannot get Hamas to surrender. Israel cannot ultimately destroy Hamas (much as I would like to see that happen.) This is because Hamas is less a cogent organization and more an ideology held by most of the 2 million Palestinian people in Gaza- that there situation there is hopeless and that therefore the only solution is extreme radicalism and attempted total destruction of Israel even if they all die in the attempt. The ONLY humane way to defeat this ideology is to give these people hope of a better tomorrow. That takes time, and begins with the basics- food and breathing space and an end to the destruction. Now there are inhumane ways to deal with this evil, and that’s what the current Israeli government has chosen and what you seem to support. I don’t for two reasons: first as I wrote I don’t believe it’s going to work anyhow. And second, even if it did I don’t believe it’s worth the price.

I tend to agree with this. However there are two problems: 1. As Ron just pointed out, Bondi’s statement. 2. Whether there is a “list” or not, whether there are “files” or not, we know that the Justice Department has a ton of documents related to this investigation. All parties have admitted as such. The victims yesterday demanded the release of all of these documents. That’s what Massie is calling for. Trump opposes this. Why does he oppose this? He has yet to offer a coherent reason.

1. Israel should allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. It doesn’t matter if the supplies will be consumed by Hamas or controlled by Hamas (both are actually questionable at this point as most of Hamas’ leadership has fled.) Israel should pull all military troops out of Gaza and turn over control to the United Nations. 2. Those are short term solutions. Long term is far more complicated. Essentially Israel needs to return to the idea of a two state solution. As hard as that solution may seem now, or in the past, it remains the only viable answer. There are 2 million Palestinians in Gaza, 4 million in the West Bank. They’re not going anywhere. Neither is Israel. The current actions are making Israel less safe, not more. 3. “I don’t know but not this” isn’t childish. It’s often the best answer, especially to complicated problems. I do not believe Israel is an evil country. I believe they are a good country currently engaged in evil acts. But, as has been the case with other good countries like the USA and Great Britain who have committed evil acts in our past, these acts are less deliberately evil and more a function of laziness, a need for speed. Israel is, IMO, guilty of genocide, just as we were guilty of genocide of certain American tribes, and Great Britain was guilty of genocide in the Raj dying World War II. That doesn’t make any of these nations the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.

Actually I have answered you. Several times. But I also believe “I don’t know but but not this” is as a general rule a perfectly acceptable statement.

Jerry let’s put aside this argument about how biased news sources are, and return to the main issue. Do you believe the government of Israel is essentially blameless in their actions in Gaza?

Anyone who supports sanctuary cities is a hero in my book.

Yeah I have no idea how involved Trump was in this evil. Truthfully I never figured he was involved at all beyond knowing the guy. But he’s not behaving like an innocent bystander that’s for sure.

I appreciate your kind words. Obviously I think you’re wrong in your overall premise. But I have a lot of close friends who are as conservative as you are.

Their testimony was just awful to listen to. Epstein was truly a monster and Maxwell- she is the scum of the Earth. She deserves to die, truly.

https://apnews.com/article/kennedy-vaccines-mrna-pfizer-moderna-1fb5b9436f2957075064c18a6cbbe3c9 Congrats MAGA. Is this really what you wanted?

I am going to take my friend @squistion‘s advice and start a new one of these for each person I regard as a hero. Good idea. Today’s hero is Marjorie Taylor Greene. I am not a fan. I think she is extremist, mostly crazy, and probably an anti-Semite. But she has chosen to defy Trump today by appearing at the rally of Epstein victims who are demanding the Justice Departmsnt release all its files to the public: https://www.thedailybeast.com/dem-reveals-trump-ally-is-joining-bombshell-epstein-victims-event-at-the-capitol/ She is also right about aid to the Palestinians: https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5478054-marjorie-taylor-greene-is-right-about-gaza/amp/ So, for now, she is behaving like a hero.

Too bad you weren’t on the jury. They found her credible. So did the judge. And there have been many other accusations as well.

I don’t have a big problem with this so long as the information is correct (they were drug traffickers headed to the U.S., etc.)

Trump has already been credibly accused of rape, assault,improper encounters, etc. The women who have accused him have received numerous death threats and had their lives ruined. They are called liars by dupes like you. So what’s the point?

In other news Massie needs only two more Republicans to sign on to his petition for the DOJ to release everything they have in order to bring it to a full vote of the House. Trump has stated that any Republican who votes for this will be regarded as a traitor- which is interesting. If Trump has nothing to hide why has he resisted this so much? I doubt those two more Republicans will be forthcoming. These guys are so terrified of Trump. It’s the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen. It’s why I was willing to label Marjorie Taylor Greene a hero.

That someone is around 99% of the GOP.

It is not that she is defying Trump, it’s that she is standing for what’s right on these two issues. Perhaps she is not a hero, it’s just that almost every other Republican is a coward. But that makes her a hero.

It really depends on what they defy Trump about.

I’m not arguing.

This is the post I was referring to @EternalShinyAndChrome, if you actually knew about Stalin (you don’t) you would recognize the similarities here.

I was actually thinking about Joseph Stalin today when @Tree of Knowledge wrote that fawning post to Trump. It reminded me very much of the poems 30s Communists wrote to Stalin. But I wouldn’t expect @EternalShinyAndChrome to know anything about that. He knows very little about actual Communists.

Absolutely she will be mentioned. Patience.

Based on your loving praise of Comrade Stalin (oops I mean President Trump, I was caught in a time warp) I think the name change would fit already.

I try not be a braggart about it. Impossible with him though.

Probably because many people don’t like the experience of being Gestapo like thugs, no matter how much they get paid.