Sean Mooney

No it really shouldn't. Also, the government is accountable to tax payers who pay into the system and need things like SSI, and food welfare programs, and many other various resources that are being either shuttered or dumped into other departments to be run inefficiently. We should've kept departments, and found ways to cut inside of them without chainsawing everything to the ground and figuring out afterwards how to rebuild it.

Government has bloat- nobody disputes that. The main objection is how these cuts and everything went down where it seems like there was lack of a plan and in DOGE's case it was more about "Oh man- look at the numbers." There is a lot of speculation about those numbers and what is actually being cut and by moving things under different groupings you are just creating more waste. To be more exact they are doing what a business does- consolidate departments and give more work to people who are still there because "##### you, do more work." That doesn't lead to efficiencies that leads to overworked people doing half ass jobs which cause different and/or more issues.

On its surface a good deal. There are some unknown things yet but this should work out overall

Can I say "looks currently as if it is on pace to not do near the good it was promised it would do overall?"

Elon musk can be both a successful businessmen who has started multiple companies and a person who headed DOGE that did not do near the good it was promised it would do overall.

I said I read multiple sites to look for trends but I also said I focus more on the scouting sites. You said "Malik Willis- all your sites had him top 5 (you didn't specify top 5 overall or top 5 QB so I was nice and gave you the latter as the benefit of the doubt)..." So I pulled one of my sites and showed that he was 7th on their draft board at the QB position. Your response was "Here's a site that averages mocks together and it shows him as the 20th best player." An average of things means exactly dickall to the discussion because I don't read, nor value, the opinion of such esteemed people like "Fantasy Law Guy, Packernet, Flurry Sports, Baltimore Beatdown, and Purple PTSD." To keep it simple for you- if you had Sanders as the 10th overall pick in the 1st round and I had him 30th- the conclusion should not be "EVERYONE HAS HIM IN THEIR TOP 20." The conclusion should be "There are wildly different opinions on this player and where they go."

It's nothing like what I referenced you dolt. And then when you tried to reference a site I use I proved how wrong you were. Again- take the L and move on. You look like a bigger dope than usual at this point.

Lots of talk in the Shedeur Sanders thread about "experts" and "scouts" and whatnot and how players draft stock change over time. So let's chart this over the next year with the upcoming potential QB class using the NFL DraftBuzz rankings. I'll give you the current top 10 with, potential draft spots, and their overall grade. 1.) Arch Manning, Texas, Top 5 pick, 93.5 score 2.) Cade Klubnik, Clemson, Top 10 pick, 89.6 3.) Drew Allar, Penn State, Top 10 pick, 89.0 4.) Nico Iamaleava, UCLA, Mid 1st round, 88.0 5.) Garrett Nussmeier, LSU, Mid 1st round, 87.7 6.) LaNorris Sellers, South Carolina, Mid 1st round, 86.5 7.) Sam Leavitt, Arizona State, Late 1st round, 84.6 8.) John Mateer, Oklahoma, Mid 2nd round, 83.6 9.) Miller Moss, Louisville, Late 2nd round, 83.6 10.) Carson Beck, Miami, Late 2nd, 83.3 So that lays the starting point for this exercise/project. I would say at first glance they seem to be pretty ambitious that 7 QBs could go in the 1st round as I just don't see that many teams needing QBs going into the 2026-2027 season...but we will be able to follow now how the projections and rankings change as we get a new season of college stats and development under the belts. Some people will opt to stay in college, someone outside the top 10 will pop up, and there is always the case that Manning completely sh!ts the bed as a QB.

What the fook is your problem? I've never once spoken to anything racist about Sanders. I only commented that some posters in here seemed to be taking a racist slant to it from the dumb arguments they were presenting. I never once said a person in the media has to be racist or anything like that. And no I don't think the NFL avoided Sanders because of his skin color. I've talked to the validity of scouting predictions and where I was seeing Sanders was projected to go. You are throwing this way off course to make yourself feel better and you clearly don't understand the Nix point I'm making.. Stop being an azzhole

No- posters can make projections. I'm all for it. The genesis of the thread comes from some dopes in the Sanders thread bashing scouting places and projections for QB's and everything. So I thought it would be interesting to monitor how the incoming top 10 shifts over the next year. Individual posters ideas may shift over that time as well. Good catch. I'll fix it

I do follow football. I thought Nix had a chance to be a pretty good QB in the NFL. As a Chargers fan, when he went to the Broncos my first thought was "Dammit!" I knew he was going to a really good head coach that does a great job of developing quarterbacks. And for a chance at him meeting or succeeding his potential he was in a great spot to do it. Again- the pick was mocked more for the value of when he went and not where he went. People knew he had talent. NFL Draft Buzz had him as a late 1st round pick. If a majority of "experts" think someone is like a 25th pick in the draft and they go 12th....yes that will raise eyebrows. But again- I already mentioned I think sometimes people don't account for team needs in those situations. Denver needed a QB, liked Nix a lot, and weren't sure he'd get back to them. Take him in that case.

The point is- those people felt Nix was a 1st round pick- they just differed on how high he would/should go in that draft. 12 seemed high but it wasn't a knock on the dude's talent. And I mean has he performed well? Sure. He also ended up in a really good place, with a really good coach, and a really good offensive system. That stuff matters too. Look at Baker Mayfield- he was the #1 pick for Cleveland and went 29-30 as a starter. He had 3 head coaches, 4 offensive coordinators, and just no talent really around him. And yet he still got them to a playoff and beat the Steelers there. He goes to Tampa Bay (eventually) and is 19-15, has a better TD:INT ratio, more stable coaching, better weapons. But you can do all the scouting in the world but at some point you have to understand 2 things that are hard to quantify in a prospect 1.) How stable is our program and situation- you can control this some 2.) What is the value (perceived and/or real) of that person to every other team in the league?- you can't control this.

I'll ask again because people don't want to seem to back up their beliefs: So enough talk about this Sanders stuff. Let's have some people put up their opinions on record. What do you see as Sanders ceiling?: 1.) NFL Elite QB 2.) Decent QB who might be able to lead you to a playoff here and there but plagued by inconsistencies. 3.) Average starter who will lead team to like consistent 9-8/8-9 seasons 4.) Career Backup who kicks around the NFL wearing a headset making bank doing nothing. 5.) Complete and utter NFL washout. 6.) Best QB in the CFL 7.) Best QB in the UFL I think his ceiling is probably option 3.....but I would not be surprised if 6 happens

So the main site I use (which brings in rankings from 24/7 sports and rivals (but Captain Obvious thinks those aren't scouting sites) had Nix as a late first rounder in their projections. This was their scouting summation of him prior to the draft. The mocking was more about him going 12th than anything which speaks to the value of the pick. (And yes I have some issues with values based objections to draft picks). But they felt Nix was the 6th best quarterback in the draft and he went 6th. So he had value positionally, just maybe a little early....but I am of the belief that if you want a guy- you draft that guy.

Dumb kid- I never mentioned that site. One of the sites I did mention that you used I showed you they did not have him in the top 5. You really are not smart.

I don't think he is pretending

Also, hilariously the site CaptainObvious wants to use as legit has: The Steelers at 21 drafting in the consensus..... Shedeur Sanders. Not often you see a dipsh!t self own themselves like that.

CaptainObvious "You can't use websites like NFL Draft Buzz because they are just watching video." Also CaptainObvious: "Here is an average of mock drafts from team fan sites on SB Nation. That's legit." You are a moron dude. Go back to bed and start your day over.

Hard to believe CaptainObvious is giving this strong a performance here. Him and HT are 1/2 in the autism scale in here and one might knock the other down to a 5th round pick.

Nobody I read had Willis as a 1st round pick. And your example you tried to use I proved definitively wrong. You might want to sit the rest of this out champ. You tried to use NFL Mock Draft Database as a source. I mean...christ you are stupid.

HT is an autistic weirdo. Do like I do and just stop interacting with him directly. It isn't worth the time and you can watch him desperately try to get you to notice him for months on end.

That is what stood out to me in that class as well. I mean- Purdy is the best of them and really it took a couple injuries to get him on the field and I don't think they were drafting him expecting him to be their franchise QB for any period of time.

So NFL Draft Buzz doesn't count as scouting but NFL Mock Draft Database counts as an authoritative source on value? You aren't being serious at this point anymore.

Agreed...and that's a good discussion to have over it. The other thing that happens- naturally- is when guys fall, there are some other teams who start looking and saying "Is there something we are missing?" and the snowball picks up speed rolling downhill. Sanders was the 2nd best QB in a relatively weak QB class- especially compared to 2024, 2023, 2021, 2020 (on paper with all of them at least) and that is hard to bake a value into sometimes. Because you have to account for the talent, and then what teams are willing to do to get that talent. I think the Steelers were looked at as a destination because it is clear they want Rodgers and you could sit Sanders behind him to grow. Problem that people overlooked is- Rodgers isn't going to be happy if you draft his backup right away like that while you are pursuing him. Sanders might be a product of a strong hype machine, but that strong hype machine also negatively affected him in the process here.

Well clearly if no one took him in the 1st round he wasn't a 1st round pick. We were never discussing that. We were discussing the projections and perceptions. Again- you are trying to change the discussion. 2022 NFL Draft Buzz QB rankings: 1.) Kenny Pickett 2.) Matt Corral 3.) Desmond Ridder 4.) Sam Howell 5.) Carson Strong 6.) Brock Purdy (Hell NFL Draft Buzz had him as a late 2nd round pick and he of course famously went last) 7.) Malik Willis The number 7 is not in the top 5. Maybe you don't know that. Walter Football had him #2 and clearly they were off. But that's why I read multiple people and not just 1. I'm looking for patterns and all that.