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That's from 2022 and is one example. Do you honestly want to tell me MAGA folks whole heartedly have supported electric vehicles the whole time?

Keep licking those boots dude. Here's my conspiracy theory- @jonmx is what happens when first cousins have sex and create a kid.

You shouldn't believe him as- per usual- he is kind of wrong. You can be on daily medication but it depends what the underlying issue is and there are medical waivers that can be granted. People on HRT can be deployed and serve as well but perhaps not in battle. Basically the issue is a little more complex than either this or that

It doesn't matter to me if you want to lie to yourself about stuff. Deep down you know it's true but you just won't allow yourself to admit that you are no better than a leftist who changed their opinion on Musk because of politics. I get it. You've got to try and keep your street cred so you can stay in the good graces of guys like jonmx and MO here.

Not now they aren't. Elon Musk dumped a bunch of money into the system to make sure they won and has become a folk hero for them. Of course they are on his side now. Republicans don't throw people out? Ask Liz Cheney about that? Ask Adam Kinzinger about that? Ask Geoff Duncan about that?

You can lie to yourself all you want. Musk was a Democrat party supporter for years and one of the biggest drivers and proponents of electric vehicles for years. Then he changed his politics and all of a sudden everybody flipped their positions on him. Facts is facts bro.

Oh i forgot- the MAGAs were always in love with electric cars and Tesla. Musk was/is a techbro libertarian who supports universal basic income.

Licking them boots again I see.

And people on the right mocked Elon for his electric cars and ripped him until he changed his politics. It's the nature of how this stuff goes anymore.

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All I've learned from this thread is that Maximum Overkill supports pedophiles as long as they are MAGA devotees. Sickening

All the best to you jerry on your continued battle.

Actually I think the bench for Democrats is deeper than the poll shows. However, it is notable that the people who most are represented in that poll are the people that have been targeted as the enemy by the right. AOC, Kamala, Bernie, Pelosi, Schumer.... Of that list I do think Jeffries has a shot at the nomination. Even though I doubt that the general public would go for a west coast used car salesman as the President- especially following the East coast used car salesman- I'd imagine Newsom gets some run (and you can already see him playing to the middle and right to drum support). Deeper down that list though I can see Andy Beshear, Josh Shapiro, Ruben Gallego, JB Pritzker, maybe Gretchen Whitmer getting a chance. Does that mean any of them are without issues? Of course not. But every politician comes with baggage- even Trump. I doubt it goes to AOC if for no other reason than Democrats get this stupid idea about people waiting their turn and I can't imagine they are going to turn to 38 year old AOC. I do think they'd be wise to maybe listen to her a little as to how to reach out to younger voters again because she seems to do fine there. And I do think that she has proven that she is not as far left as people want to paint her as- certainly when compared to the rest of the dummies in "The Squad" nonsense. I do think the survey shows that compared to 2017 the party is a little more all over the place as opposed to being a cohesive unit. Obama held dominance in the party in 2017 and he was far more to the middle than what has been painted of Democrats. Also, he is one who kept trying to push Democrats back to the middle in the last election and they kept ignoring him. The most interesting thing for Democrats in 2028 will be- who will they rally behind as the nominee because you can see the party is fractured a little in the public eye. The intriguing thing for Republicans will be- who does Trump get behind and will that be who the other leaders of the party and constituents get behind. The Republicans have had issues in running people like Trump but who are not Trump in elections and it doesn't usually go well. Basically- people want Trump doing Trump things, not Kari Lake, or Dr. Oz play acting Trump. Will Trump throw his weight behind JD Vance? I don't know if that's a given. Are the rumors true that Donald Jr. wants to run for President? If so, does Trump throw his support there leading to a rupture in the party.

Still couldn't provide a simple yes or no answer. You didn't accept anything. You posted your initial thoughts. You got hit with a bunch of examples and tried to deflect. Back on page 1 I pointed out how a lot of this right now is because the Democrats haven't given a plan moving forward yet- which they will at some point. But they haven't yet for whatever reason. But you continue to deflect and try to pretend like it is a one way flowing street which is insane and idiotic. And that is part and parcel for you because you never admit you are wrong, you always try to paint everything as if it is only flowing one way, and you essentially come off like a fooking fool. Face it- you are a tunnel visioned dolt whose posts are basically if someone took Maximum Overkill's words and ran them through ChatGPT. Save your sanctimonious act for someone else.

when did you accept that? Also, like I said- just because they havent done something yet doesn't mean they never will. But you wanted to run with your faulty premise from the jump. You also still couldn't just say yes or no.

Dude- it's a simple "yes/no" question. So if the left was in the same position it would be okay for them to be calling the right "evil" and everything because they are winning. This question followed you saying "Who is winning. Think about it."

So if the left was in the same position it would be okay for them to be calling the right "evil" and everything because they are winning.

This should be a bridge too far for Trump supporters. Should be......but won't be. They are too busy flossing with his public hair

I guess if Democrats haven't figured out a post Trump strategy **checks notes** 2 months in to Trump's term they are doomed forever I guess.

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Well- that was less than 200 words....it didn't clear up the tunnel vision thing though.

I'm not doing anything. Democrats wouldn't like what I have to say anyway. Republicans wouldn't either. The real magic though would be for once you seeing both sides of an issue without writing more than 200 words about how you have tunnel vision.

I will repeat: 2015-2016 there were a ton of things written about how "The Republicans might struggle to win another election again because of shifting demographics amid a post Obama Presidency. Obviously those articles were idiotically premature. Right now there are a bunch of articles the other way because the Republicans just cleaned up in November and the Democrats don't seemingly have a unified plan going forward yet. Of course they will figure out some plan, they will rally behind that, and rally behind whoever leads the party. The other issue right now is that Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are the most notable faces in the party and they are both old, out of touch, dopes who need to be sent to the political glue factory. But of course RLLD has to start a thread saying "Democrats assert whoever doesn't share their beliefs are evil." When presented with the idea that it isn't solely a one sided issue on insisting the other side is evil he bloviates nonsensically. When pointed out to him the President does the exact thing he is saying he tries to deflect. When he is asked to use the search function here that is too hard for him. Dude is tonally unaware.

A lot of words to ignore the crux of everything I said...seriously- when you want to come back to reality let me know

The problem is that you don't see how these same things were said a decade ago in the opposite direction. The problem is that you framed it as "The Democrats have spent years indoctrinating their base into the notion that those who do not share their beliefs are evil. " and were told both parties do this anymore. You decided to blow all of that off. The problem is you don't see how this is kind of standard at the beginning of presidencies stuff. Simply put- you are delusional and intentionally being intellectually dishonest.