Sean Mooney

None of that has anything to do with what I'm talking about. But nice strawman Of course you would go to a dumb extreme to try and make a point.

My comment is more related to your "big issue" comment and about the framing which implies if you have daughters this should be the most important issue to you. I said it is an issue but it's not a big issue for me with my daughters compared to their health rights and whatnot being stripped away at. That is more of a big issue to me. Basically I reject your framing that anyone who has daughters and doesn't see transgender women as a "big issue" is missing out on something. Especially when I'm telling you there are more pertinent issues in my mind that will affect them for a longer part of their life. Issue A needs addressing, so does Issue B....I want one cleaned up solidly before the other.

What is there to not get about the umbrella of women's health issues?

I don't think it is an issue that needs quite as much attention as it gets here. I'm not saying that issue A is more important so issue B should be ignored. I'm saying that if one person is arguing strongly for issue A and one is arguing strongly for Issue B and then says to me "Do you have daughters? Why wouldn't you support B?" I'm saying- until someone presents something where they will address issue A AND issue B then I have to pick one.

Can you define what it means for it to be a "big issue"? On the club team thing- I hate the idea that has permeated youth sports anymore in school of "Oh you want to play softball at high school? What travel team are you on? You don't play travel ball? Well thanks but..." If you want to vacation as a family and everything you can't play travel ball.

As of 2021 there were 17.3 million students in high schools (public and private- that would not account for home schooled students I'd assume). I did say where the source came from but I'll go with what you want to go with. 570,900 students in high school identify as trans. So from that we can roll in some other findings (in bold are the sources cited in the study...as best I can access them) TBF- What I can't find in the data is how they are applying "high school-level team athletics." Is that school teams? Is it non school related teams? Case in point- you could be on a 16U softball travel team where you are playing with high school aged girls but not for a high school. Additionally- that number of 122K, or less, only speaks to transgender youth- it does not speak to what the sex is of that youth. Also, it doesn't account for kids who just ignored that question or chose not to answer it. There are so many threads on the topic because a forum is curated discussion. And people are not necessarily talking about transgender women in sports as the thread problem. It is talking about how- basically one person- seems to continually post about this stuff. Either way though- you wanted to hear from someone with daughter's. You did. You ignored my question i asked.

Just answer a simple question for once.

Harris could've had 4 years to run but if they ran just as an incompetent campaign as they did it wouldn't have mattered. I like the idea that the media didn't report on negative things of the Biden regime. That's just pure fan fiction from the MAGA mooks. Also, this response from you has almost nothing to do with what I said in my post.

Journalism's ongoing loss of viewership/readership has more to do with how people consume news anymore as much as anything else. There was no mistake here from the journalist. He did his job. Of course you don't care about the provisions. Waltz delivered a plethora of excuses in admitting wrong doing but let's handwave them away.

Oh I know...it's just fun to watch him try to wiggle off the hook. Plus now that we know he is just parroting FOX news pundits it makes it more amusing to see which one got through to him. It was Gutfield yesterday.....could be Judge Pirro today? Could be Kennedy? Could be the former wrestler Tyrus......who knows.

I'm just going by the rules you set.

Let's also not pretend like the journalist is the problem here, ok. Also, Waltz's "accepting accountability" came with provisions...let's not pretend he said "This is on me, full stop"

But you've said it isn't about the President. No one really pointed at Trump other than to say "These are your clowns and circus." Blame was pointed at Waltz and Hegseth. Waltz and Hegseth pushed blame and denied everything. Then people testified to Congress there were no war plans and that was shown to be untrue. Hegseth literally walked away from reporters last night when he was getting pushed on this.

So who gets the blame for the text chain then? I saw you laying a lot of it at the reporter's feet today.

You called for accountability from the left on the Afghanistan thing I'd suppose. You called for accountability from the reporter on the text chat thing and seem to lay more blame at his feet.

Here's the difference between you and I: I will readily say the Afghanistan thing was poorly done and executed and it effectively was a swing point in the Biden presidency. See- that's called fair criticism of something that deserves it. i didn't have to write long posts trying to defend it...or blame someone else....or talk about your "ideological opponents." Now you try it.

What words that I said do you not know the meaning of? I can help you out because clearly you are missing something in the posts I've written.

The dirty secret none of the MAGA mooks here want to admit it that...Trump and his team know how valuable it is to have the media as a boogeyman. But in order to have them as a boogeyman you need to be in contact with them so you can control the flood of information. A lot of Trump's success is owed to the idea that he has made people believe the media is this huge calculated organization out to get him at every turn- be it CNN, the New York Times, the Atlantic, or Jimmy Kimmel. And the media obliges by running every story they can and downplaying Trump at times and at other times white washing some of his nonsense. They have a very symbiotic relationship

JFC- you are being obtuse at this point. How long do you plan to be that way? Yes influencers are designed to look more neutral because you are following them because they match with what you want to follow from a political (or lifestyle, etc) standpoint. But there are now pay-to-post schemes making their way into politics (the same way they've operated in other walks of life) and playing off the perception of neutrality people believe they have. In this case those pay to post companies are involving themselves in an issue that has/had potential to fracture some of the alliance between the two groups mentioned. Transparency is what this boils down to which the article mentions. If you'd have read the article instead of just commenting you'd know that.

Lobbyists are more upfront about what they are doing. Influencers are made to look more neutral in what they are doing. Basically it is a matter of explicitly stating a goal versus implicitly acting on one.

You are assuming that. You don't know that.

I have daughters. I guess you'd have to define "big issue" to me. Because I feel like the sports thing affects a portion of their life and the women's health things will affect them longer. So I'd consider the latter a bigger issue to me. I think it is something that should be addressed with transgender women competing but I do think it is not an issue to the level that one would think it is if they popped in here for a few days. And I think we could probably all agree that Overkill is weirdly obsessed with the issue. Save Women’s Sports, a leading voice in the bid to ban transgender athletes from competing in girls’ sports, identified only five transgender athletes competing on girls’ teams in school sports for grades K through 12. Additionally of the 332 million citizens of the US- 300k are between the ages of 13 and 17 AND identify as transgender (1.3 million total identify as transgender). That is like 1% of the population. And I've made the point before here that the Democrats are silly to focus on laws that affect such a low portion of the population. But again- if you came here someone would think there are transgender people overrunning every town in America.

He could have stayed in the chat beyond the point he did. He removed himself. When you remove yourself it notifies whoever set the group up that said person has left the chat. So Waltz saw that Goldberg had left the discussion which should've triggered to him "Why was he here in the first place? I better check this out." He could've called him and asked the question and didn't. Goldberg had a story dumped in his lap and as a reporter- one I may add who clearly outlined in the original article the entire thought process of his thinking this was some elaborate set up or something- he has a duty to follow up on it. The reporter in this case did nothing wrong. That is the strong point here. RLLD is loathe to call Republicans out for anything. He is cautious to do it here despite the fact that this blunder is all in their court. But we saw the general process of this from all the traditional MAGA mooks on the board. Garbage whataboutism scenarios....Reporter's fault....Goldberg is lying.....Waltz didn't do it, a staffer did....there were no war plans....it was all declassified......just an endless circle of bullshit lies when we know if the Biden admin had pulled this it would be apoplectic here calling for everyone's head.

Imagine out of all of this people propped up an even worse beer than Bud Light.

Looks like Gutfield and his board surrogate RLLD won't get their wish with Crockett.