Sean Mooney

I didn't have a side and I predicted Trump would win. You have no credibility on any of this and I already wished you a happy thanksgiving.

He is determined to keep self-owning himself in this thread by bumping it up over and over with stuff that does not support what he has said. Then when he is given evidence otherwise or comments otherwise he just pretends those comments don't exist and powers forward.

The "pervert" comment is what I'm referring to and it derails the conversation. This is why people can't just settle on a compromise on the issue because there has to be a demonization either directly or through comparison. And I know that people get it because there are a bunch here who (rightfully) get annoyed when they are immediately called "racists" over issues.

@jerryskids....see Jerry- this is the stuff I'm talking about.

Consider yourself lucky. I don't even talk to the guy on here and he can't stop talking about me.

I am discussing policy. The problem is policy gets dominated by one side demonizing the transgender population. I'm not saying the answer is open all doors to them, but I'm saying maybe we stop demonizing them and leave the bathroom thing open to them and keep the other doors shut.

Credit for you being a self made delusional person. Again- like Justin Charge.

Dude c'mon....you are just being obtuse...I'll tell you it ain't jerry and it ain't you.

I agree on it all. I'm just saying at this point now I'm not sure what the fix is because I'm gonna guess there are going to be men who are going to be uncomfortable with a transgender woman dressing in a men's room as well. I don't know how you fix that aspect. Read some of the comments of people here- there is clearly disrespect being shown.

Okay....then sure. I have no problem with it. It will probably just lead to them building a separate locker room facility or something for transgender people which will raise rates or costs.....but whatever. I don't care enough to fight it. But trying to hardline stance it won't make it go away either. It will still be an issue a few years down the road. See what so many here don't understand is- I want people who are transgendered to feel respected and heard and seen.....but I also understand the flip side argument and want those opinions to be heard and respected as well. That means we need to find a compromise where both sides can feel like they took something from it as a win. But demonizing one side or calling one side intolerant doesn't get the job done for me

Are you including bathrooms in the first paragraph?

I don't disagree with a lot of it. I will add though I think the complex part comes from people add in bathrooms and stuff like that to it all instead of drawing boxes around various areas. They try to one size fits all the issue. I will ask though- who is going to monitor the changing rooms, locker rooms and everything? Is a store or gym looking to do that? Do they have the resources to do that?

That has nothing to do with an Internet tough guy wishing rape on kids and then trying to be moral center of the board. These are YOUR PEOPLE and YOUR SIDE wishing rape on kids.

Case in point on the disconnect from the public on these issues: CBS News did a poll over the weekend: Voters were asked: 1.)how much priority they want Trump to put on certain issues. On the topic of "Lower prices of goods and services"- It was "High Priority" for 79% of respondents. 2.) "Do you favor or oppose the US placing new tariffs on goods imported from other countries?" 52% they favored it. 3.) "Do you think new tariffs on goods from other countries would generally make the prices of things you buy..."- 59% said "Higher" So according to the survey a majority number want lower prices, they want tariffs, AND they think those tariffs will make prices higher. Again- a strong disconnect. To quote Groundhog Day "You know, people like blood sausage, too. People are morons."

Fun fact- the US is producing more oil right now than any country ever. If this is a war on big oil it's a losing one at this point.

Just remember- men have a duty to protect their kids. Performing that duty requires you to wish rape on other people's kids. It's the only way to be

Fine if you want to be wrong

You are wasting your time. He told me Trump had nothing to do with the inflation that happened. Also said it was all Biden and not really anything else. Just wish him a happy holidays and move on.

I already wished you a happy holiday season.

I'm not going to stomp you again in this thread because we've seen you are not capable of having an unbiased discussion on these issues. Besides we are coming up on the holidays and it wouldn't be nice. You continue to just spin stuff into what you want it to be. Doesn't make it so. But enjoy your holiday season.

Troll? No. That is a silly take from what I said

You don't know what I believe in. You just know what I mock here- which in some cases is just stupid arguments. Doesn't mean I disagree with the poster- just means I think their argument is stupid.

I appreciate your response and the thought you put into it. I think what we can agree on from the various sides we come at this is- it is a complex issue. And it needs to be looked at from a number of different angles and legislated as such. But dealing with complex issues is something we've become really bad at as a society- especially in government. I worry about some issues, you worry about others- but they surround the same topic. I don't know if we agree on this so I won't lump you in on it- but the dipsh!ts on here who immediately bust into these things to yell "You are okay with kids being raped you pedocrat" are not helping the discussion because all they do is obfuscate the issue and feed into fears and whatnot. They pull away from the real issues you speak on and have no care for the issues I speak on which just leads to heels being dug in.

Twitter is far more right leaning now. And Musk just admitted he is throttling links on posts. Bluesky is clearly a bunch of left leaning people going there to create a different environment. None of this is good because it is just going to lead to more people falling into their echo chambers and not talking to people who might have different opinions than them. But it's what people on both sides want I suppose.

Here is my larger point- we live in a society that is all about demonization of anyone who is not like them or does not think like them. The left is guilty of it. The right is guilty of it. In this case there is a demonization of transgender people that in some respects I can buy into. Like for example- a transgender woman probably should not be allowed to compete in a woman's sport but until someone does something about it they can. But the bathroom thing seems like just demonizing people and trying to couch it in a real issue. Like yes I don't want a man in the woman's room but there isn't an epidemic of men hiding in women's bathrooms to assault women. There also isn't an epidemic of transgender women attacking women in a bathroom, or locker room, or changing room. So- it's fine to think "Hey can we stop this one thing" but far too often for people- including many here- it leads to people wanting to just cast the whole lot of transgender people out, and I'm not for that really either. The world is more complex than either/or scenarios and I resist turning things into tha.t Now before any of the people here who are not interested in having a serious conversation (not you- you probably know who I mean) come running it- I understand it all and I understand why it works to conduct it this way. I have two daughters. They are of the age where you can't take them into a men's room anymore to use the restroom if you are out somewhere with them. If I am by myself with them I will let my oldest use the women's room and will have her take my youngest in with her if I have them both. And we've talked about what to do if anyone is in there that makes you uncomfortable- man or woman. I've gone over how to punch someone in the windpipe, take fingernails right to their eyes to scratch, and to use the point of the shoe to drive it right into their genital area. Worst case scenario I've instructed them to yell and I'll come busting in regardless of what the room is to handle some bidness. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a pang of worry when they walk in by themselves. But I also don't necessarily live in fear of it happening anymore than I worry about anything my kids do in any other moment of their lives and I certainly don't give it as much headspace as people here do.