Sean Mooney

So the main site I use (which brings in rankings from 24/7 sports and rivals (but Captain Obvious thinks those aren't scouting sites) had Nix as a late first rounder in their projections. This was their scouting summation of him prior to the draft. The mocking was more about him going 12th than anything which speaks to the value of the pick. (And yes I have some issues with values based objections to draft picks). But they felt Nix was the 6th best quarterback in the draft and he went 6th. So he had value positionally, just maybe a little early....but I am of the belief that if you want a guy- you draft that guy.

Dumb kid- I never mentioned that site. One of the sites I did mention that you used I showed you they did not have him in the top 5. You really are not smart.

I don't think he is pretending

Also, hilariously the site CaptainObvious wants to use as legit has: The Steelers at 21 drafting in the consensus..... Shedeur Sanders. Not often you see a dipsh!t self own themselves like that.

CaptainObvious "You can't use websites like NFL Draft Buzz because they are just watching video." Also CaptainObvious: "Here is an average of mock drafts from team fan sites on SB Nation. That's legit." You are a moron dude. Go back to bed and start your day over.

Hard to believe CaptainObvious is giving this strong a performance here. Him and HT are 1/2 in the autism scale in here and one might knock the other down to a 5th round pick.

Nobody I read had Willis as a 1st round pick. And your example you tried to use I proved definitively wrong. You might want to sit the rest of this out champ. You tried to use NFL Mock Draft Database as a source. I mean...christ you are stupid.

HT is an autistic weirdo. Do like I do and just stop interacting with him directly. It isn't worth the time and you can watch him desperately try to get you to notice him for months on end.

That is what stood out to me in that class as well. I mean- Purdy is the best of them and really it took a couple injuries to get him on the field and I don't think they were drafting him expecting him to be their franchise QB for any period of time.

So NFL Draft Buzz doesn't count as scouting but NFL Mock Draft Database counts as an authoritative source on value? You aren't being serious at this point anymore.

Agreed...and that's a good discussion to have over it. The other thing that happens- naturally- is when guys fall, there are some other teams who start looking and saying "Is there something we are missing?" and the snowball picks up speed rolling downhill. Sanders was the 2nd best QB in a relatively weak QB class- especially compared to 2024, 2023, 2021, 2020 (on paper with all of them at least) and that is hard to bake a value into sometimes. Because you have to account for the talent, and then what teams are willing to do to get that talent. I think the Steelers were looked at as a destination because it is clear they want Rodgers and you could sit Sanders behind him to grow. Problem that people overlooked is- Rodgers isn't going to be happy if you draft his backup right away like that while you are pursuing him. Sanders might be a product of a strong hype machine, but that strong hype machine also negatively affected him in the process here.

Well clearly if no one took him in the 1st round he wasn't a 1st round pick. We were never discussing that. We were discussing the projections and perceptions. Again- you are trying to change the discussion. 2022 NFL Draft Buzz QB rankings: 1.) Kenny Pickett 2.) Matt Corral 3.) Desmond Ridder 4.) Sam Howell 5.) Carson Strong 6.) Brock Purdy (Hell NFL Draft Buzz had him as a late 2nd round pick and he of course famously went last) 7.) Malik Willis The number 7 is not in the top 5. Maybe you don't know that. Walter Football had him #2 and clearly they were off. But that's why I read multiple people and not just 1. I'm looking for patterns and all that.

So enough talk about this Sanders stuff. Let's have some people put up their opinions on record. What do you see as Sanders ceiling?: 1.) NFL Elite QB 2.) Decent QB who might be able to lead you to a playoff here and there but plagued by inconsistencies. 3.) Average starter who will lead team to like consistent 9-8/8-9 seasons 4.) Career Backup who kicks around the NFL wearing a headset making bank doing nothing. 5.) Complete and utter NFL washout. 6.) Best QB in the CFL 7.) Best QB in the UFL

1.) So you want to change the parameters of the discussion. 2.) Yes I said a majority of people still had him as a late first round pick. Which would indicate some didn't. I never argued some had him dropping to Day 2 or the like. \ 3.) Did they see him as a Day 2, Day 3 pick? How far was he down for them? 4.) The linked article is funny because it is a bit misleading. When the Steelers didn't select him they asked 10 executives if they were surprised to see Sanders still there and all 10 said no. There was one quarterback drafted to that point. That QB went first overall and by most evaluators was better than Sanders- or at least they had a better handle on. So if you are asking someone "Hey only 1 QB has been taken to this point are you surprised it wasn't Sanders." it makes some sense the answer would be no." Additionally- I wouldn't have ranked Sanders ahead of any of the 1st round QBs in 2024 either....and NFL Draft Buzz had it super close (Sanders 88.1 and Nix 87.4) to the point that you could make a case one way or the other. 5.) And of course 2nd or 3rd round felt right- I thought he was probably a 2nd round talent but the idea was that he would go 1st round because it was a weaker class and someone would trade up to get him before someone else could. Sanders may not be a NFL elite QB like he thinks he will be but he is sure as better than Tommy Slough. He's probably going to have a better career than Dillion Gabriel and Jalen Milroe too.

Deion controls everything about the Colorado program so there have been real concerns you aren't getting the full story of Shadeur because people don't want to speak up for fear of their jobs. But yes- Deion as a presence is great for the program, and college football viewership

I read scouts putting together worth of a player. I read stuff being said by scouts internally. I read stuff related to scouting at the combine. The majority of what was out there was that Sanders was at worst a late first round pick. Certainly nothing I really saw indicated he was a 5th round pick or anything like that. Also, I'm not saying that a mock draft sets a players value. But I know for guys like Jeremiah and PFF (unless you are going to say they aren't scouting either) they are also talking to people in draft rooms and while they might get smoke screened at times are building predictions based off what they are hearing. The day before the draft is when some stuff started coming out about Sanders having poor interviews and even then once he didn't go in round 1 there was still a ton of talk that he was going on Day 2. Stop making up things to argue against. Stop ignoring the questions you are being asked. And calm the hell down. I simply asked for you to provide insight into who you were seeing so I can make sure to add them to my reading rotation going forward. You've yet to do that.

Scouts don't watch film in addition to all the in person stuff they do? Also, with the amount of footage out there from broadcast to ALL-22 and everything. It is really easy to get a feel for the on-field play of the kids anymore. Again- you deflect from having a direct person to quote from. I've read national writers and executives and a lot of their stuff is after the fact comments now. We are talking about up to the draft talk. Who up to the point of the draft was saying he was really low on the prospect scale?

The best argument you can make against Sanders is that he was awful in that bowl game. Even still there a lot of people argued about whether it was the lack of having an offensive line or not. A huge knock on Deion as a recruiter is he focuses on the flashy skill positions and ignores the trenches.

I do read scouts too. Many of the main scouting websites- Draft Network, Walter Football, NFL Draft Buzz, The Beast handbook- had him as a late 1st round pick at worst. I haven't read Kiper in years. I rarely read McShay. Again- it's a simple question- who did you see that was specifically saying Sanders wasn't potentially a late first round pick? Even scouts grade out guys and you can tell from the scores where they see them.

The HT posting cycle: 1.) Get called on something 2.) Deny it 3.) Get shown evidence that disproves him 4.) Accuse person of being triggered and insult them and/or their manhood we are here 5.) Post some other nonsense trying to pretend like he is a better person than another poster 6.) Return to step 1

I did read them and many others. Again- the majority had him as a later first round pick at worst. Who specifically did you see that was saying otherwise? I want to know who I missed so I can add them to my rotation of reading at draft time next year. THEN NOW FOREVER. I don't even interact with him anymore and he still wants the smoke and loses.

Yes but no one predicted this.... Ian Rapoport did not report the Giants were considering Sanders when they traded up. CBS Sports definitely didn't predict the Giants would trade up to 32 to get Sanders. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2025-nfl-mock-draft-shedeur-sanders-taken-late-in-round-1-after-qb-needy-team-trades-up-to-get-him/amp/ I mean mock drafts from experts REGULARLY predict trades and trade ups and downs and everything... Never happened though...

"Nobody in the draft needed a QB from 22-32" "People can trade up" "Who predicts that" "Many pundits do actually.." "(ANGRY SCREAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)"

They are on here under multiple accounts 24/7.....they've never been married. Or seen a woman naked in the real world.

It's completely unheard of for people to trade back up into the first round after making an early pick. I mean the Giants certainly didn't do it this year. And it certainly didn't happen in 2024....or 2023.....or 2022....or 2021.....or pretty much every year.