Sean Mooney

It took them almost 20 hours before they started performing a surgery to try and save her and she died on the operating table. They treated with meds initially.

So here on the Geek Club we've been told don't raise interest rates, and now don't lower them... Sound logic all around.

ProPublica is very far left so I would take anything they say like this with a silo full of salt anyway. But to your specific point it is why I said I'd be curious to see what new information comes out. There has to a reason the doctors waited. It may have been awaiting clarification, it may have been pure negligence.

It is...to me it also highlights why we need common sense legislation on this issue. Again- I'm not advocating now- nor would I ever- an abortion window of like 30+ weeks, however 6 weeks is incredibly too short and just medically speaking may not be feasible. A full term pregnancy is 40 weeks so 20 feels like a good point to use. I wish the policy in Georgia would've allowed for medical experts to weigh in. They rammed it through against medical advice. But a person who lives in Georgia should have a reasonable window in which to have an abortion and shouldn't have to travel to NC. Places like those clinics serve a purpose but they aren't always the best medically.

I saw in an article somewhere that because of traffic she was unable to make her appointment within the 15 minute grace period provided by the center and thus they wouldn't see her so they gave her the meds had her take them and then said she should take the rest later.

I agree this is important. She ended up going to NC to get the meds because at the point of her pregnancy she was past the point of Georgia's new rules. But you have to draw some more connections in that scenario

And again I'm pointing out that we don't know what caused the delay. There is a legal grey area that the hospital has to be sure of with regards to how the law is written. And that legal grey area surrounds abortion stuff. Yes the Kamala team is making political hay out of it and the Trump team is making political hay out of overturning it because "it's what people wanted".

Polls are essentially like betting odds on sports. It's silly to look too hard into them beyond that unless you are deeply diving into the methodology of how the study is conducted (case in point any poll that is essentially conducted over a landline should be tossed right the hell out. As should any poll that is of "all adults" as opposed to "all registered to vote adults") They are just snapshots of time. As of now- it looks like as of 09/18 that Kamala Harris is getting a debate bump in the most recent 538 aggregate polling data.

Exactly- some women have irregular periods (for a variety of medical issues) and wouldn't even know they were pregnant. Some women get their periods every 7 or 8 weeks. I understand people wanting to protect abortion rights and I understand people wanting to outlaw them or make them very hard to get. I just wish the lawmakers on both sides would listen to the advice of medical professionals in crafting these laws. Like 15-20 weeks is a reasonable cutoff time.

I'm not sure why you are hammering the abortion thing. I never said it was an abortion. I speculated that the doctor's were perhaps unsure how to proceed considering the surgery would be required from an abortion related event. In 2019, the Georgia legislature passed a "fetal heartbeat" law known as the LIFE Act. The law had the support of Gov. Brian Kemp, who signed it into effect. The LIFE Act prohibits most abortions once a physician can detect the supposed cardiac activity of the fetus, which lawmakers have estimated at six weeks of pregnancy. So the timeline changed from 22 weeks down to 6 weeks. It should also be noted medical experts usually think it is not until 9-10 weeks before the fetal heart forms. The law provides exceptions for abortion in cases of medical emergencies, medically futile pregnancies, and pregnancies that resulted from rape or incest. It also provides that procedures to remove a deceased fetus or an ectopic pregnancy do not constitute an abortion. Additionally at the time the bill was being discussed many doctors indicated that some of the language was too vague. A D&C is traditionally used as a means of managing a miscarriage or look at uterine bleeding but it is a medically acceptable way to perform an abortion and I think that is where the debate came from in this. Doctors most likely needed to be sure they were in solid legal standing with it all. So again- I'm not saying the procedure itself was an abortion. It's clear the lady took medicine for an abortion that she received from a clinic in NC because her pregnancy was at 9 weeks when the 6 week ban was instituted (so she would've been in violation of the law at that point.) She then had a medical reaction that like 32 people have had in all the time the meds have been administered and there was a delay in issuing care for a variety of reasons. It will be interesting to see more come out on the story as to what caused the delay. Here is some stuff on Georgia abortion laws: https://www.findlaw.com/state/georgia-law/georgia-abortion-laws.html https://dph.georgia.gov/document/document/updatedwrtkbrochure/download

Because they changed aspects of what was allowed and what wasn't allowed. This isn't a trap or a gotcha. In cases leading up to Roe the justices who wrote the decisions did very much use the word protections. In a Pennyslvania challenge in the late 80;s the word protection was used too by a judge writing the majority opinion.

Georgia changed their abortion law to 6 weeks in 2022 on July 20th. There is the thing still about the life of the mother- I'm not disputing that. I'm saying that by changing the language and some parameters (which the 2022 bill did) it creates more legal hurdles to run through before surgeries. Also, none of the articles I linked used the phrase "stripped constitutional rights." Perhaps Propublica did which- yeah that is heavily left- no sh!t. Kamala may have....of course she will paint the extreme.

You have a computer right?

Can you cry again how I don't leave you alone on here while you follow me around?

Everything after the name of the woman and that she died.

Yes we should definitely trust the managing editor of the Babylon Bee. People just looking stupid for scrolling Twitter and believing whatever some dipsh!t says on there

Creating boogeymen like Trump does isn't true. It is deflecting blame.

That's at least honest. Exactly. Trump and Vance should be campaigning on what Trump did in 2016-2020 (since it was so good apparently) and how he will continue that. Instead they are tripling down on a fake story. Again- this is why the race is close

I mean I specifically mentioned the word "preventable" in what I posted so yes I did see it. I would venture it was preventable because if she had been operated on in hour 4 her chance of survival would've increased. Again- I'm not sure the complete write up and legalese of the Georgia bill (I'd venture you are not as well) but it would most likely fall under the category of "abortion" because it came from an abortion related event. And without seeing how the law is written up it could be written in such a way that makes it murky. It also isn't about "being an idiot"- any surgical procedure where there is a murky legal ground will require that to go through the legal channels at the hospital to make sure they are clear. No hospital is going to allow a procedure to go through that walks a legal line without checking that they have a solid legal footing.

So what does adultery- or c0cksucking have to do with war? Also, still waiting on that Cheney quote

Did you find that link yet of me being excited for Cheney? Also, I'm speaking to the calling the woman running for the Dems a "wh0re"

I did? Where? Find and link to the post please. Also, "war wh0re "...very centrist. What team? Look- I'm only allowed to offer thoughts and prayers. Beyond that there is nothing I can do.

I offered thoughts and prayers....what else am I supposed to do?

Honestly- it's 2024 the last time Hillary was relevant was 8 years ago....who cares what she thinks?

Man people are still triggered by Hillary Clinton