Sean Mooney

I saw in an article somewhere that because of traffic she was unable to make her appointment within the 15 minute grace period provided by the center and thus they wouldn't see her so they gave her the meds had her take them and then said she should take the rest later.

I agree this is important. She ended up going to NC to get the meds because at the point of her pregnancy she was past the point of Georgia's new rules. But you have to draw some more connections in that scenario

And again I'm pointing out that we don't know what caused the delay. There is a legal grey area that the hospital has to be sure of with regards to how the law is written. And that legal grey area surrounds abortion stuff. Yes the Kamala team is making political hay out of it and the Trump team is making political hay out of overturning it because "it's what people wanted".

Polls are essentially like betting odds on sports. It's silly to look too hard into them beyond that unless you are deeply diving into the methodology of how the study is conducted (case in point any poll that is essentially conducted over a landline should be tossed right the hell out. As should any poll that is of "all adults" as opposed to "all registered to vote adults") They are just snapshots of time. As of now- it looks like as of 09/18 that Kamala Harris is getting a debate bump in the most recent 538 aggregate polling data.

Exactly- some women have irregular periods (for a variety of medical issues) and wouldn't even know they were pregnant. Some women get their periods every 7 or 8 weeks. I understand people wanting to protect abortion rights and I understand people wanting to outlaw them or make them very hard to get. I just wish the lawmakers on both sides would listen to the advice of medical professionals in crafting these laws. Like 15-20 weeks is a reasonable cutoff time.

I'm not sure why you are hammering the abortion thing. I never said it was an abortion. I speculated that the doctor's were perhaps unsure how to proceed considering the surgery would be required from an abortion related event. In 2019, the Georgia legislature passed a "fetal heartbeat" law known as the LIFE Act. The law had the support of Gov. Brian Kemp, who signed it into effect. The LIFE Act prohibits most abortions once a physician can detect the supposed cardiac activity of the fetus, which lawmakers have estimated at six weeks of pregnancy. So the timeline changed from 22 weeks down to 6 weeks. It should also be noted medical experts usually think it is not until 9-10 weeks before the fetal heart forms. The law provides exceptions for abortion in cases of medical emergencies, medically futile pregnancies, and pregnancies that resulted from rape or incest. It also provides that procedures to remove a deceased fetus or an ectopic pregnancy do not constitute an abortion. Additionally at the time the bill was being discussed many doctors indicated that some of the language was too vague. A D&C is traditionally used as a means of managing a miscarriage or look at uterine bleeding but it is a medically acceptable way to perform an abortion and I think that is where the debate came from in this. Doctors most likely needed to be sure they were in solid legal standing with it all. So again- I'm not saying the procedure itself was an abortion. It's clear the lady took medicine for an abortion that she received from a clinic in NC because her pregnancy was at 9 weeks when the 6 week ban was instituted (so she would've been in violation of the law at that point.) She then had a medical reaction that like 32 people have had in all the time the meds have been administered and there was a delay in issuing care for a variety of reasons. It will be interesting to see more come out on the story as to what caused the delay. Here is some stuff on Georgia abortion laws: https://www.findlaw.com/state/georgia-law/georgia-abortion-laws.html https://dph.georgia.gov/document/document/updatedwrtkbrochure/download

Because they changed aspects of what was allowed and what wasn't allowed. This isn't a trap or a gotcha. In cases leading up to Roe the justices who wrote the decisions did very much use the word protections. In a Pennyslvania challenge in the late 80;s the word protection was used too by a judge writing the majority opinion.

Georgia changed their abortion law to 6 weeks in 2022 on July 20th. There is the thing still about the life of the mother- I'm not disputing that. I'm saying that by changing the language and some parameters (which the 2022 bill did) it creates more legal hurdles to run through before surgeries. Also, none of the articles I linked used the phrase "stripped constitutional rights." Perhaps Propublica did which- yeah that is heavily left- no sh!t. Kamala may have....of course she will paint the extreme.

You have a computer right?

Can you cry again how I don't leave you alone on here while you follow me around?

Everything after the name of the woman and that she died.

Yes we should definitely trust the managing editor of the Babylon Bee. People just looking stupid for scrolling Twitter and believing whatever some dipsh!t says on there

Creating boogeymen like Trump does isn't true. It is deflecting blame.

That's at least honest. Exactly. Trump and Vance should be campaigning on what Trump did in 2016-2020 (since it was so good apparently) and how he will continue that. Instead they are tripling down on a fake story. Again- this is why the race is close

I mean I specifically mentioned the word "preventable" in what I posted so yes I did see it. I would venture it was preventable because if she had been operated on in hour 4 her chance of survival would've increased. Again- I'm not sure the complete write up and legalese of the Georgia bill (I'd venture you are not as well) but it would most likely fall under the category of "abortion" because it came from an abortion related event. And without seeing how the law is written up it could be written in such a way that makes it murky. It also isn't about "being an idiot"- any surgical procedure where there is a murky legal ground will require that to go through the legal channels at the hospital to make sure they are clear. No hospital is going to allow a procedure to go through that walks a legal line without checking that they have a solid legal footing.

So what does adultery- or c0cksucking have to do with war? Also, still waiting on that Cheney quote

Did you find that link yet of me being excited for Cheney? Also, I'm speaking to the calling the woman running for the Dems a "wh0re"

I did? Where? Find and link to the post please. Also, "war wh0re "...very centrist. What team? Look- I'm only allowed to offer thoughts and prayers. Beyond that there is nothing I can do.

I offered thoughts and prayers....what else am I supposed to do?

Honestly- it's 2024 the last time Hillary was relevant was 8 years ago....who cares what she thinks?

Man people are still triggered by Hillary Clinton

Should also be pointed out that if Kamala wins it isn't going to be because of "the Democratic machine." That is going to be the lie spread by Trump and his minions and so many MAGA people here will buy it hook, line, and sinker because they are the type of people who blame everyone else for their shortcomings as well. The real reason will be because the GOP once again ran out a very unlikable Presidential candidate against a very disliked current regime. Nikki Haley, Ron Desantis, Chris Christie, hell even like Doug Burgum or Mike Pence are as comfortably cruising to be the President as one can in the 2024 political voting cycles. Sending Trump out again in 2024 is the equivalent of had the Panthers sent out Bryce Young for week 3. Instead the GOP ran out a "me first" dipsh!t who is polarizing in every way- even beyond political divides- and who is more interested in making sure people recognize how aggrieved he is as opposed to championing what he did. Again- the guy was shot at and didn't get a sustained polling bump from it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/amber-nicole-thurman-abortion-death-georgia-b2614314.html- a state committee of 10 doctors say her death was preventable. "Thurman, a medical assistant, was taken to Piedmont Henry Hospital in a suburb of Atlanta after she vomited blood and passed out in 2022, ProPublica reports. Doctors discovered Thurman had taken abortion medication and developed a rare complication in which there was some fetal tissue left in her uterus, according to the outlet’s investigation. At that point, Thurman needed a procedure called dilation and curettage, which would allow doctors to remove the rest of the tissue, ProPublica reports. But Georgia had recently passed a law making the procedure a felony with few exceptions. Doctors delayed Thurman’s care and finally operated 20 hours after she arrived at the hospital, according to ProPublica. She died on the operating table." https://www.newsweek.com/amber-thurman-death-abortion-spotlight-georgia-1955516- ""President Trump has always supported exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother, which Georgia's law provides," Karoline Leavitt, Trump spokesperson, said in a statement to the Associated Press. "With those exceptions in place, it's unclear why doctors did not swiftly act to protect Amber Thurman's life." Without looking up the Georgia law (but I'll take the quote from Trump's spokesperson at face value) perhaps they could have operated under the exceptions clause but still the fact that there is a law on the books makes it a little bit more of process as they would almost assuredly need to make sure they are legally in the clear for doing the procedure before doing it and that creates some extended time in all of this.

I'd still say Trump wins. If you account for the margins of error they were off in 2016 and 2020 her lead isn't big enough to win. Now I have read some methodologies of the voting polling taking place and seen some stuff where the pollsters say they are accounting for hidden Trump voters but no idea if their methodology is foolproof just yet.

Today's Bible Verse: "And lo, there came a false prophet amongst the congregation, bearing the name of weepaws, who did profane the teachings of our Lord with deceitful words and a heart of wickedness. For he claimed to be of the flock of Christ, yet his actions bore fruit of hypocrisy and untruth. But fear not, my brethren, for the light of the Lord shall shine upon him, revealing his true nature and bringing forth judgement upon his deceitful ways. Let us not be swayed by the snares of the ungodly, but stand firm in our faith and hold fast to the teachings of our Savior. For it is written, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves." Let us heed these words and cast out the false brethren from our midst, for the hand of the Lord is mighty and his justice shall prevail." 1 Timothy 2:10 Amen Thanks