Horseman

Perfect example of this lying blowhard. First it was not very many, then when presented with facts it changes to they don't take any more than the average citizen. Next they will deserve it as much as Americans: Everyone just stop responding to this thread. He's a complete waist of your time. Then maybe he will go away for good. Yeah right.

Not sure if it's what you meant, but, multiple universe theory would definitely explain how a single universe (say the one observed by humans) could seemingly pop into (big bang) and out of existence without the requirement for there to be a beginning or energy and matter coming from nothing. If universes were as simple as subatomic particles, just on a grand scale, one could be created by another universe dropping down a level as simple as an electron dropping down an atomic level and emitting a photon. We're forgetting Einstein's General Relativity, we're only looking at it from our internal point of view.

Again, who created the creator? Something from nothing is statistically more probable (and logical) than saying something from nothing by a creator who we have to assume also came from nothing. This may seem like a technicality, but, as I've pointed out previously there may be several explanations for the big bang, some of which don't require something from nothing. And it just may be that we don't have the intellectual capability and obviously the theoretical physics to explain and understand it all yet. That's infinitely more probably that the supernatural. Again, we've seen that throughout our history from actually worshiping the sun as some deity all the way down through one last explanation for the big bang. You don't believe in any of the hundreds of gods that humans believed in before your current god.

Saying something like that is the opposite of science. I went to and listened to Stephen Hawkins give a lecture once where he said we would never know exactly what happens inside a black hole. That was the worst thing I've ever heard him say. He might as well have told the scientists to stop studying black holes. Luckily they didn't and we know have mathematical models that account for most all of the energy and make up of a black hole even if we still don't fully understand them. Science doesn't need miracles. There is a fascinating book I suggest you read by Lawrence Krauss, A Universe from Nothing. He provides several theories on this topic all of which, even the most unlikely, are way more probably than the religious supernatural being explanations. But, in essence, nothing is unstable which makes the null situation very unlikely.

I admit and put forth that we do not know, yet. However, in the simplest of terms interjecting a supernatural being into the equation of existence from non-existence just makes it that more fantastical. It doesn't prove anything. I'd claim that there are more plausible theories to the infinite regress problem introducing a god causes. There was not first cause, the universe has always existed and expands and contracts upon itself. There was a first cause, which itself was uncaused and has always existed. There is an infinite amount of causes. The universe just came into being without a cause.

I'm just glad we've made it all the way to the big bang. Think about it, we went from worshiping the sun, to the sun being the center of the universe, to our solar system being a very tiny spot in one galaxy out of trillions that all started at a singular point in the universe. We've went from Huitzilopochtli all the way to a single miracle that must be god. At least we've defined 99.99% of everything we know without requiring the supernatural.

And of course natural selection and evolution do a very good job of explaining everything from single cell organisms up to the complex structure of a blooming ash tree. All without the help from a creator. What makes you think a creator needed to step in right in the beginning?

Ah intelligent design. It's so beautiful and complex it has to have been designed by a supernatural being. If you make that some sort of rule in your quest to prove the existence of god you run into the exact same objection of it happening by chance. But statistically it's worse because it doubles the problem when you apply the same rule to the creator. If something so beautiful and complex implies a creator, who created the creator? You've just halved it's likely probability in perpetuity.

Yeah, but what if it was a 12 year old with a 20 year old body?

They call it a testimony. Your personal account of your experience and how you know god exists. Your best bet at convincing anyone is to share that. That's what priests, pastors, rabbi, clerics and missionaries do. Short of that, go ahead and provide specific accounts of these children that remember past lives. Note: You might need to provide some context because reincarnation is a Hindu construct, not typically Christian or Jewish (since you referenced the bible earlier). Are you trying to say they were watching from heaven before they were born or something?

I agree we haven't learned to harness gravitational energy yet, like we have others, but as you said we observe the effects of gravity every day. The constants we have make it very predictable, especially from a human earth perspective. If you drop a rock, or a penny, it always falls to the ground and always accelerates at the same rate. Again, it's predictable and it's effects are known. You can't say that about any sort of effects made by God, or at least I am not aware of any. You show me a first hand account of how God works and I will show you an opposite and equally UNPREDICTABLE outcome. That is if I can't explain it away completely with the known scientific theories. From a purely scientific perspective there isn't any evidence whatsoever of God, unlike there is for gravity. In a scientific sense, it's a very poor comparison.

He has to be referencing only the Hebrew bible, the old testament, otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

HFS. Sounds like you are trying to explain how a retarded brain works.

Serious discussion = Tim talking about his feelings he has for illegals. And he plans his whole day around it. Pathetic.

You think you matter to me, at all? Put your purse down tiny Sally.

Yeah, right. Bookmark this one for the eventual fail. How many glasses of wine with dinner?

Main Card Hernandez -205 Davalishvili -290 multiple units. X2 at least, my favorite Neal +200 sprinkle because everyone hates Garry the cuck Whittaker -220 VOLK -125 just out of necessity. Going to see how much depending how the other fights go.

Prelims Maverick by points +105 Quinlan +170 Ribeiro +110 by TKO +210 De Lima -235 Lemos -135

Reading comprehension definitely fits. Samsung tech > Sony tech and now they have OLED.

Seriously though the biggest room in a 1600 sf house is what 12 x 12?

Samsung has OLED now. The best picture just got married with the best in tech.

Buddy took one in Italy. - adults only - when doing tours pay for the individual instead of fighting the crowds I'm more of a fly there and venture on my own guy though. Hop trains from Italy to Germany to Switzerland. Stop in Ireland on the way home.

Biden said it happened 3 years ago.

Does that 1600 square footer even have a wall big enough for 65"?

That's a good boy Leo.