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Cant govern without electricity. Might as well stay warm too. Smart move imo.

Twitter coming to their senses. Top notch video released by the president. Must watch. "Our incredible journey has just begun."

I dont know why you are obsessed with the Giants. Who cares about the Giants? One this is for sure, the Eagle are F`d over paying a bunch of money to horrible athletes. Thay cant cut their way out of the cap, it's going to be a trainwreck for quite a few years.

Says the guy whose team sold their sole to the devil for Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz, let that sink in. Bashing anything the Giants did doesnt diminish that colossal error. Get it yet?

That might be the dumbest post ever. You draft a RB #2 and you're not supposed to get him 250 carries? Eagle mentality I guess.

Lol. Hes only played 2 seasons and never sniffed 300 carries. In what fantasy world do you live?

They're handcuffed paying a bunch of bad athletes.

Doubt they make the mistake the eagles did and sign a giant contract hes not worth. And then make him untradible.

6 instead of 9. But that doesnt matter, they could have picks 1 thru 6 and that's not going to save this franchise. Wentz was inactive because he was "resting". WTF does he need resting for? Wentz is now a has-been that got benched for a garbage rookie. They arent going to be able to trade him and he is going to cost 35 million and 17% of the cap next year. It's going to take a decade to recover from that garbage contract and you still dont have an answer at QB.

It's actually easy to start a list of wrongs we absolutely know already: 1 - Full of illegals by their sanctuary city declaration. Come on in boys, covid?, no problem. 2 - They promote and allow homeless populations to congregate without consequence. Covid?, no worries, you know what we need, more needles! 3 - They allow all kinds of peaceful protest gatherings. Cough, cough, that's ok, they are outside!

Sorry, California - the largest state full of sheeple that believe this crap with toughest restrictions in the country totally getting destroyed by Covid right now isn't helping your argument. And who are all the rubes working from home? Go to work you lazy fuks.

To your first paragraph, you can restate it that way, but it wouldnt be true as my examples demonstrate. Flying planes into buildings killing yourself and thousands of others is not Altruism. It was on the promise of everlasting life with 72 virgins and a kingdom in the paradise garden. Nothing else explains those acts. Religion is 100% responsible for suicide terrorists and undeniable religious malady. Most every other example of humans freely forfeiting thier lives has been Altruism, the vast majority having nothing to do with God. Altruism is just another thing, along with charity, that religion has stolen from humanity and purports as their own. 99% of human existence has been without religion. You're mistaken if you think we didnt thrive without it, let alone require it. Cheers.

All organizations suffer from human maladies. Religious organization suffer from all the same human maladies plus religious maladies. You're conveniently assigning any malady caused or fostered by religion to it's people. That is incorrect. Let me try again with my two examples: Priest molestation - yes a percentage of humans have an illness that causes them to molest children. In the Catholic Church's case that was fostered, incentivized and magnified by the the religion itself. The rape was committed humans, however, it was the religion (belief) that priests must be celibate and in charge of children. A false belief directly contradictory to the biological needs of a man. Then it was the perceived power of the religion (god himself) that gave the power to the pope, cardinals and priests to keep these molestation covered up and the molestation to continue, for as long as they have. That doesn't happen in any other type of organization. 9/11 - I could write volumes on this one, but, I'll try to keep it short as it shouldn't take much to illustrate my point. There isn't any greater instinct natural selection has given us, or any of the other species, than the instinct for survival. Most every time individuals break that instinct it is because of Altruism. The only thing I've seen in my lifetime (unfortunately) or read about in history different is the false promise of everlasting life. I think your wide prism of several decades is shielded from the history of mankind. We've been able to survive quite well for 195,000 out of our 200,000 years without religion. And we will do quite well once we've evolved past the spandrel of religion. Our survival instincts protect the tribe and help our fellow men, including those hit by a tornado. Your response team of Christians will be replace by one with a different name, one where they take credit for themselves. I didn't mean that you were an arrogant person, I'm sure you're a great guy and would buy you a beer anytime, you are just suffering from a religious malady.

The tornado (natural disaster) is always an interesting one. People like to give god credit when humanity steps in to help people who have been affected by natural disasters while ignoring the fact that God could have stopped the tornado altogether. The same god who used natural disasters on a whim to destroy thousand of people at a time in the bible. The god people say "did this for a reason" every time a natural disaster occurs. The idea that god should receive gratitude for life while not being held accountable for disasters is a transparently disingenuous double standard by Christians.

That's not a red herring, it's an analogy that I backed up with real-life examples. If you want to count "behind-the-senses" then I will add in all the people who volunteer for all the secular organizations I listed, organizations already magnitudes larger than the biggest Christian humanitarian effort, before I go seek out all the other people in the world who help other people that are not Christian. (You could have banked yourself a lot of numbers had you said religious instead of Christian, a common mistake Christians make because they're so stuck on their one true god). The numbers aren't even close. But, I think we agree it's not a contest of numbers. It's boils down to two things, #2 of which you didn't address (and I don't blame you): 1 - You don't need religion to be charitable. 2 - The most charitable organizations in the world do not suffer the side effects of religion. (In fact, if you want to continue the discussion - they purposely are not religious to their benefit.) I also think you underestimate the people whom you've had experiences with. By saying "they do it because they have the heart of Christ" you seem to imply they wouldn't have done it had they not been Christian. Do you really think if it wasn't for that story they have been told that they would have left those harmed by the tornado to suffer? I don't. And quite frankly, speaking as a human being not a Christian, that's an arrogant position to take.

Not true. There hasn't been the systematic cover-up to the extent the Catholic church has in any organization, not even close. It is literally a pedophile ring with coverups all the way to the pope. Several popes. Those other organizations you listed didn't require the children's supervisors to be celibate either. I mean they should have seen it coming.

The stop sign is manmade out of steel. Steel is an alloy of carbon and iron. Carbon and iron are chemical elements made up of protons, electrons and neutrons. The amount and distribution of these elements result from the collisions of these particles within stars. That is called fusion, or nuclear burning. Iron specifically is made in very large stars called red super-giants (it takes a lot more energy to make iron than it does carbon). When a star supernovas the iron (and other elements) are blasted out into space. Planets are formed when particles and elements that were blasted into space attract and collide together as they orbit around larger masses, usually other stars. That is how carbon and iron ended up on planet earth. All the stars pumping full of chemical elements, with dead star stuff that has formed into planets orbiting around them originated from the same point in the known universe. That point is call the Big Bang. We know this because we can observe stars and galaxies through telescopes. We know the location, speed and direction of travel of everything we can see. The direction of travel of everything we see is outward from a single location, the Big Bang. The entire observable universe is expanding outward from that point. How the stop sign was made and where it came from is indisputable as everything I described above is directly observable and/or backed up by mathematics. If you choose to interject god or intelligent design it must start at the big bang, at the beginning of time, 13.8 billion years ago. All of these are fair questions: What caused the big bang? What existed before the big bang? Is there a force or being beyond our understanding that initiated the big bang? Is there anything beyond our universe/is ours the only universe?

The question isn't whether religion can help people. Of course they do, crime families and mob bosses help their communities all the time, usually because they have the means to do so and it benefits them. The real question is do we need religion to help people despite all it's negatives? Let's take a look at the top 5 humanitarian organizations in the world: World Food Program CARE Oxfam International Red Cross Action Against Hunger You know what they all have in common? They are all secular run by governments, organized societies and corporations. Not religions. People give religion way too much credit for charity, just look at how many adjectives you used to try and convince yourself of the poor people they have helped. In reality they are a small drop in the bucket. The WFP funding in 2019 was a record 8 billion. That number almost doubles the total revenue of the Catholic church who only contribute about 150 million each year. And these organizations do it without building lavish buildings and temples dedicated to their god. Without filling their coffers with gold and hording valuable artwork in their archives. We don't need to go back to the crusades to see the harm religion has on people, the wars started in the name of religion are still ongoing today. I prefer to use more recent events, like September 11, 2001. Or the hundreds of thousands of children raped by the Catholic church in the past few decades. If you do the math on that using the 150 million dollars of charity the Catholic Church does each year...that's about $3 a year per child they molested. No, it doesn't appear to me that charity makes up for it and we certainly don't need religion to be charitable.

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LOL. It didnt turn out like you hoped, did it. It's been fun Utilitits, but alas, I need better discussion and debate. No offence. If anyone else wants to debate the morality/history of religion, evolution or atheism let me know. It's one of my favorite subjects. Sincere question and facts with credible sources appreciated.

I bet the vast majority of people would agree with me. Need an example? When you start a conservative themed thread on a conservative message board yet you still find yourself as the only person making the asinine assurtion - you have to stop and ask yourself if you might be wrong. Conservatives (which I am one) in here aren't jumping to your rescue in that thread. Other religious people have even left you alone on your island.

I already did. Maybe you missed it in your scurry to cut and paste from that conspiracy theory website? If you want anyone to take you seriously you need to state facts backed up with credible sources. That's how debate works. Then again, if you tried that you probably wouldnt find the facts are what you wish them to be.

For example try the Pew Research Center for divorce rates. Catholics are low, at 19% . That's awesome compared to Prodistants at 51%. But, you might be surprised to learn that atheists are the lowest at just 2% That's real information, from a real and credible research center. Not a conspiracy website. HTH.

LOL, marriage rates in response to a half a million raped children. No one is going to hire you to keep score. Genuine question. Are you able to think for yourself or do you just regurgitate that single conspiracy website? Please do some fact checking. First you're brainwashed by Cathoicism, now an extremist website. You should be placed on bomber suicide watch, imo.

The thing that is wrong with your scurry copy paste from Conservopida is that they wrongly attribute political actions and consequence to people they perceive as atheist. That's like blaming Hitler for being Catholic. I won't blame religion for Hitler. I won't do that (unlike you) because it's disingenuous. Plus, I don't have to, Catholics speak for themselves. 2018 Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of the Archdiocese of Washington, D.C. resigned from the College of Cardinals following allegations of abuse and attempted homosexual rape at a seaside villa. In August, a "systematic coverup" of sex abuse by more than 300 priests in Pennsylvania parishes was revealed. These priests raped more than 1000 children. Pope John Paul II was made aware of allegations against McCarrick but did not believe them, and that Benedict XVI, after receiving further complaints, also made little effort to stop McCarrick. The report absolved Pope Francis, but placed blame on both Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI for Theodore McCarrick's rise in power they both were aware of sex abuse allegation against him. The men who supposedly have direct contact with god are pedophile ringmasters. Let's just take that sample size and apply some statistics shall we? 1000 raped children in Penn., that extrapolates out to about 200,000 raped children in the US. Over a half a million (500,000) raped children across the catholic population across the globe. You don't have to look back in history, back to some fantastical Marxist regime marching down from mount atheist with orders from the devil. This is the 20th and 21st century, people like you going to church, donating and defending them, covered up the largest pedophile syndicate ever known to man.