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Ok. I've explained numerous times throughout several threads how it will, in fact do that. Many others have, too. We've already seen it happen in Kansas a few years ago. We've shown our work and it points to you either not paying attention, willfully ignoring it, or believing it's not true. All of which are acceptable, but would you mind sharing a link or SOMETHING that supports your position? I have yet to see one, and I've asked several folks.

How does preventing eligible voters from voting in order to prevent a few dozen POSSIBLE fraudulent votes help anyone?

Completely agree with you and @Engorgeous George. I think ICE as presently run is a national black eye. But I'm not claiming every agent is a bad person. And I love (most) cops. Over the years they've mostly treated me well and I was never part of the defund movement, which was always ridiculous. I'm advocating treating immigrants the same way you describe cops above. But you have people in this thread that essentially refuse to make a distinction between the law abiders and the criminals. It's just "deport them all!" Which I find equally ridiculous to defunding police.

You voted for our POTUS. Knowing about him, and the reporting done about him over the last decade, do you REALLY, in your mind and soul, believe he wouldn't cheat if he thought he could? Think about how many times the courts have stopped him in his tracks from doing blatantly illegal things but only after prolonged legal battles? He's escaped prosecution twice just by waiting it out. I mean what behavior has he ever exhibited that would lead you to believe he won't stack the deck in his favor at every opportunity?

Traditionally measures like this tend to suppress Dem turnout more than Rep. Given that you are correct and this does affect everyone, I'm not convinced that will happen in this case, but it's likely. My biggest complaint by far is that states are required to give the feds voter rolls and the feds can purge them using dubious metrics and software that wasn't designed for that purpose. It WILL result in eligible voters being tossed off voter rolls and be expected to go to much more stringent lengths to re-register than ever before. In most states voters will not be notified if they are purged, IIRC. These people will show up at the polls to vote, be told they aren't registered, and won't have time to register to vote in that election. As noted upthread, there have been tiny numbers of discovered voter fraud nationwide over the last few decades. Is it worth it to trample on the rights of several thousand or even several million voters to prevent a few dozen folks from POSSIBLY voting illegally?

I have never said this.

Sure. I've shared my documentation about it, you interpreted it differently than I did. Would you be amenable to sharing documentation supporting your view?

We've been round the bend on this, there does not appear to be a middle ground. I think we're both aware of each other's thoughts. States running their own elections has always been sacrosanct, especially among conservatives. That is no longer the case, like so many other things that used to be important to conservatives, it has been sacrificed for power and expedience. IMO. This law will disenfranchise voters. Many of them will be Republican. We know this because it's happened already. I'll be voting in November. Hopefully we all will.

This is codified into law. You don't have to like it.

A marriage certificate is not enough to qualify to vote under SAVE. It can be used as a supporting document.

Sounds vaguely threatening.

Of course not. But it's not that high, either. Also not OK: conflating the actions of the few with the actions/motives of the many. I see a helluva lot of that going on.

I don't suspect any of our pro-immigration folks here would have a problem with that. What then is the downstream effect of allowing certain populations in for various reasons, then universally pulling the rug out from under them years later regardless of whether they have committed crimes or not? At that point wouldn't even the "desirable" ones say "FU, America, you suck, I'm taking my talents to China!"

When I was growing up in MN, LOTS of people were pissing and moaning about Asians. Exactly the same way they're talking about Somalis today. 40 years later, nobody's complaining (except bigots) because they assimilated. 40 years from now we'll be mad about the immigrants flowing in from other war or poverty ravaged nations that won't assimilate. Meanwhile, the Somalis will be accepted members of the community that themselves are complaining about the displaced immigrants. Circle of life.

This sounds as though you believe that the current cohort of immigrants are, in their entirety, on the dole, lazy, no good criminals that are here strictly to fleece the rest of us. Is that the case, or would you like to clarify?