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And this, good sir, is why you do not have the constitution or desire to live in CA. Appearance over substance is unwritten law, and one's societal value is directly connected to what car they drive. I love the state, and miss living there. But ultimately, when deciding to leave, it came down to how expensive it was, and the lack of values observed among much of its citizenry. And I do not mean that to besmirch anyone living there. But I observed more feckless behavior in that state than I suspect I ever will anywhere else.

Yup. How much time and money get spent on a couple hundred acres of controlled burn? Who decides what areas get burned? Then who gets pissed because their area does NOT get a controlled burn? Who pays for it when a stiff wind connects with the controlled burn, which quickly becomes uncontrolled? Now scale a couple hundred acres to a couple hundred thousand, or a couple million. It's just not realistic.

I'm not defending the government. There were clearly some serious failings here. Lots of blame to go around and investigations that need to happen. What I'm telling you is that many of your "solutions" are cartoonish in their simplicity and efficacy. You're in fantasy land.

Apologies if you felt I was slighting you. That was not my intention, though I meant very much to slight a few others. You are good people and I have a lot of respect for you and your humor. You absolutely have some good points, and this is where we can get into the liberal CA policies and citizens ignoring self interest. People aren't going to be okay with goats or other grass eating animals roaming their property in or around most cities in CA. I mean, they POOP, for god sake, and we can't have that much fecal matter on Mr. hotshot LA actor/producer's property. Poop belongs in the toilet or the streets of San Francisco. Also, there are plenty of predators in some of those areas that would become a big problem if given an ample food supply like that. This is not just about cities, either. Most of CA is fairly remote. There is literally not enough labor, equipment, or money to address the issues. Here is where a conversation about policy and leadership needs to be had.

Ooooh, a whole 5.5 mil? That'll buy you a mower and labor to clear out someone's backyard in the Palisades.

Ever thought about who does that work, how there aren't enough of them, there's not enough money to pay them, how granola NIMBYs refuse to have that done on their property? You guys act like it's easy as a quick controlled burn. This isn't a focking grove on the back 40. It's millions of acres of tinder.

I'ma explain this as clearly as I can. Try to follow: CA is the 3rd largest state, at approx 100 million acres. It is mostly an arid state (that means dry). When the rain comes, it frequently does so in high volume over short periods. This creates blooms of foliage, grass, flowers, etc. that quickly die off once the weather returns to normal. When dry, it is excellent tinder. But much of it is in forested and/or mountainous areas, with difficult or even no access. When fire comes, it consumes everything very quickly. The fire moves fast. When blasted by prevalent winds like the Santa Anas, it moves even faster. This is why fire season in CA is a mess every year. We can have legitimate discussions about the many seeming failures of leadership and policy. It is a target rich environment. But to claim that animals, mowers, or ditch diggers are going to clear away millions of acres of tinder every focking year is the very height of ignorance.

I doubt you have considered this possibility, so allow me to present it to you: You don't know d!ck about CA geography. It varies significantly from the enclave in South Carolina you claim to live in. It's dry there. There is a lot of area. Running glorified mowers across a few million acres is not a real solution. HTH.

Duh. No BRUSH HOGS!

Thanks. Being told what I think is the very best thing about conversing with MAGAs. I can never get enough of it. Do you really think it was something other than a joke referencing his own posts? You think that anyone telling people here to be less divisive legitimately thinks they're making a point that will be acknowledged? Like I said before, I used to think you were smart, but you have decisively proven me wrong.

The GATEWAY to NorCal is more like it. I really miss living up in the those mountains. Until the fires start.

All due respect, you're talking out of your ass here. Land wise, the majority of CA votes Republican. The Central Valley, farmers, and desert dwellers vote Republican. Basically everything outside of the big cities is solid red. Wanna get someone who lives north of San Fran (which is essentially central CA, though it's called northern) worked up? Remind them about how liberal CA is. They'll tear into you like a brush hog eating dry grass in the LA hills.

You propose brush hogs to clear hundreds of thousands of acres in and around one of the 10 largest focking cities in the world by land area and have the chutzpah to call others stupid? LOL. You can't even stop owning yourself, Toxic Horsemanurity.

I only said that to him because he's been doing the same schtick recently. Relax muffin.

Stop being divisive. And it's spelled R-E-S-E-R-V-O-I-R

Aaah, the MAGA motto!

While I am your ally in the affordable housing fight, you need to understand that California is the last place where this would be feasible short term. I was made aware of a local Minnesota man that recently attempted to build modest, affordable 3 bedroom/ single bath houses of 1200-1500 sf and keep the purchase price under $200k. He was his own general contractor, had very low overhead, and did everything he could to maintain quality while lowering cost. He determined that it was essentially impossible to do it for under $225k in Minnesota. For the upper midwest, cost of living in MN is relatively high. Compared to Cali, it's dirt cheap. Those same houses in SoCal would be priced at, what, a minimum of $650k? Closer to $800k? Affordable housing on the west coast is an oxymoron. Hell, when I lived in SD the only people I knew that owned houses had either been in them for at least 10 years or were spending 50+% of their income on mortgages because they were typical SoCal types that needed to show off. Living beyond your means in CA is the state pastime. And this was 20 years ago. It was the reason we left.

"Why isn't the brush cleared??!!" Please explain to those of us that understand the California climate how that works. I would love to know how you clear a few hundred thousand acres of dried up grass within a few months every year there's a wet spring. Please, educate us.

Look at Toxic Horsemanurity going back to the same well over and over again. Call him out for being the pile of human trash that he is and he responds with some variation of questioning your manhood. Over and over and over he shows that he is by far the most insecure buttboy posting here. Terrified of the rest of the world finding out his true predilections. Hates himself for it, so makes every attempt to spread his own self-loathing to the rest of us. Newsflash for the unrepentant human mound of fecal matter: you aren't insulting me by targeting my masculinity. Those of us that are real men aren't phased by that; we just laugh at the desperation you exhibit daily.

Baseball is the sport seemingly least likely to have POS fans ruin your experience, but leave it to Phillyfan to fuk that up, too. It's like an entire region flushes intelligence, humanity, and sound judgment and turns into rabid morons every time a team plays. I actively root against every Philly team now just because their fans are so foul.

Me too. Shameful. I remember going to games in the 80s and 90s and never saw that behavior. I had a great time talking trash to fans of other teams, but it never got personal or nasty. I once had a running dialog with a Cowboys fan down the concourse as we found our seats; when we parted we high fived and agreed that whatever happened, the Packers would always blow. That was on a Monday night in '99, so everyone was good and lit. Emmitt Smith ran for a million yards but the Vikes won. The good ol days.

Only when it comes to getting federal aid from Trump. His nose might be far enough up that flabby rear end to get some traction.

Whoever wins tonight, I hope they storm into Philthy and annihilate the Birds. Would be a nice piece of comeuppance if the Vikes could do it. Link

Because Republicans weren't in charge, obviously! Didn't you simps know that electing righties guarantees everything runs smoothly, all the time, and all contingencies are planned for at every turn?

Damn. I am not someone that would ever participate in doxxing, and mostly think it's sleazy to do so. But there are times when it's just so delicious...