Engorgeous George

My two favorite monikers now... Thelonious Monk and Felonious Trump.

I do note that this case and verdict seem to have us as a nation more polarized than before. I think that will inure to our collective detriment.

I do note that this case and verdict seem to have us as a nation more polarized than before. I think that will inure to our collective detriment.

I merely go by my own experience. That is not to say my experience has lead to perfect acumen on such matters but I did spend the majority of my career in both the state and federal criminal courts and I did work both sides of the aisle to regular success. Of one thing I am certain, the final outcome will not depend on my opinon or my advocacy as I will in no manner be involved in the appeal or in ruling thereupon.

I believe otherwise. The Court did not do a good job protecting the record of its rulings, rulings which go directly against established precedent. The appeal will be, of course, a pyrrhic victory coming, as it will, long after the coming election.

That is just mean, funny, but mean. Damn funny, actually.

Reversible error is a legal concept. The jury, in my opinion, followed the law as instructed and evaluated the evidence as set before them. The legal question is whether they were instructed properly and whether the evidence before them was as should have been admitted by the court.

One of several reversible errors in my opinion. By the time that discussion is had with an appellate court the election is likely to be long over.

In the 1960's yours was a very minority opinion. Now it is the dominant opinion and is gaining steam and any state laws holding otherwise are, in my opinion, likely to be found unconstitutional if challenged.

Fine line between cynical and observant.

They tried him in State court.

National trend has been to restore voting rights to felons. Use to be they lost them. Now the majority of states allow them to retain that right and thjose which don't generally only rescind that right during incarceration and any term of parole. My state, Colorado, has restored their voting rights.

Can't pardon a state crime or conviction, only federal.

Yes.

Have we ever not?

Trump is a man of constant sorrow, He's seen trouble all his days He bids farewell to Mara Lago, and his beard Melania (And his beard, Melania!) For seven long years he's been in trouble, No pleasures here on earth he found His life has been quite Stormy, Who say that he, likes to be bound (Who says taht he, likes to be bound) It's fare thee well my old lover I never expect to see you again For I'm bound to ride that northern railroad, Perhaps I'll die upon this train (Or from some constipation strain) You can bury me in some deep valley, For many years where I may lay Then you may learn to love another, While I am sleeping in my grave (While he is sleeping in his grave) Maybe your friends think I'm just a stranger My face, you'll never see no more But there is one promise that is given I'll meet you on MAGA's golden (He'll meet you on MAGA's golden )

Pretty sure his convictions will not negate her prenup so she will still have to stand by her man.

I imagine Trump's shorts are taking a gaseous beating right about now.

Technically yes, but I simply do not see that happening, but who knows? Your guess is as good as mine.

WE will find out soon enough. I tend to agree that this jury, with these instructions and the evidence admitted is going to convict. I could well be wrong, but that is what I foresee. I also foresee the verdict being overturned on appeal for any number of reasons but by then our history will already have been irreversibly effected.

Well a hung jury is now off the table given reports. Has to be guilty or not guilty. I thought Trump's best chance was a hung jury but who can say.

Good point. I should be prepositioned near one to get the prime selection. I never plan ahead but with your reminder I can.

I fear hysterics from each side of the spectrum may behave very badly and potentially even violently upon a verdict. Folks seem very worked up and very much tribally aligned. I would just stay far away from the courthouse if I lived in New York.

Disturbing. Unacceptable behavior.

It has been a long, long time since law school for me. When I was there we learned, mostly tangentially, that two states were what was referred to as Field Code states, that is their intrinsic law was not based entirely upon english common law as is the case in most stes, but they had elements of french and even dutch law primarily procedurally. The First, Louisianna was strongly influenced by french prodcedure and the seond New York by french and dutch. Some of the procedures we are seeing here are, I presume, a result of that, but being admitterd in neither of those jurisdictions and the passage of time since my education I really cannot say. (Admitted in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Colorado, Wyoming, New Mexico and to the Federal Bar and provisionally admitted, pro hac vice to Virgina and Florida, now retired and I have relinquished my license so as to not have to keep up with CLE's.)