Engorgeous George

The entire process deeply offended my sense of fundamental due process. As a person who devoted his career to trial law the abuses I saw in this matter fundamentally offended and effected me. One way to register my consternation would be to vote in support of the defendant who was so abused. For pretty much any other defendant I would do so gladly. As Trump offends me I have not yet decided to give him the same courtesy and support I would others, and that too bothers me as due process should be worthy of protection no matter the merits of the accused.

And on appeal you argue that and you argue that in having done so the trial court did not provide the defendant with substantive and procedural due process. What you do not do is argue taht the tgrial judge made these errors intentionally. You do not ask the appeallat court to find that someone in their fraternity intentionally subverted justice. You would be guaranteeing yourself a hostile reception to your arguments. I am going to leave this portion of this discussion at this point. You do not seem amenable to my point which is fine. A back and forth between us will resolve nothing so no sense in me going further with you.

I'd have to go outside, pull my flag from its holder, unclip two clips, turn it over, reattach it and stick it back in its holder. Seems a bit of a bother.

Perhaps the gay men should ahve made it clear that by "perform" they meant only by singing of songs, spiritual songs at that.

You want to argue the facts. I am arguing the process. Good luck to anybody taking a matter up on apeal saying the trial judge intentionally rigged the outcome. The appeal occurs on the record, by reviewing the trial exhibits and the transcripts. There is no way to discern the trial judge's intent from that. Maybe he was simply incompetent or confused. Appelate judges historically are quite hostile to attacks on the trial judge. They are welcoming of pleas involving the due process rights of defendants. You are worked up right now and maybe don't see the process argument as you are stuck on the facts. I understand. I just happen to believe, based on my experience, that your argument would fail and mine would be well recieved. Now in full discosure i generally did not work on appeallate matters, though I did on some, including capital cases. Mostly my career was as a trial attorney forcing others, my betteers, to justify the crap i pulled in trials so you may be right. I am merely statting the commonly accepted legal belief that one does not attack the trial judge on an appeal.

Dozens, no. Maybe six to eight, but not dozens. Clear intentional errors, no. I would not even argue them as an abuse of discretion more less intentional errors. i would however argue them as reversible error having deprived the defendant of due process.

Swamp Thing.

The expression is: Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

Off for a sunset paddle around the Reservior. The verdict is unlikely to cross my mind out there and damn sure the animals out there do not care. It will be nice.

My two favorite monikers now... Thelonious Monk and Felonious Trump.

I do note that this case and verdict seem to have us as a nation more polarized than before. I think that will inure to our collective detriment.

I do note that this case and verdict seem to have us as a nation more polarized than before. I think that will inure to our collective detriment.

I merely go by my own experience. That is not to say my experience has lead to perfect acumen on such matters but I did spend the majority of my career in both the state and federal criminal courts and I did work both sides of the aisle to regular success. Of one thing I am certain, the final outcome will not depend on my opinon or my advocacy as I will in no manner be involved in the appeal or in ruling thereupon.

I believe otherwise. The Court did not do a good job protecting the record of its rulings, rulings which go directly against established precedent. The appeal will be, of course, a pyrrhic victory coming, as it will, long after the coming election.

That is just mean, funny, but mean. Damn funny, actually.

Reversible error is a legal concept. The jury, in my opinion, followed the law as instructed and evaluated the evidence as set before them. The legal question is whether they were instructed properly and whether the evidence before them was as should have been admitted by the court.

One of several reversible errors in my opinion. By the time that discussion is had with an appellate court the election is likely to be long over.

In the 1960's yours was a very minority opinion. Now it is the dominant opinion and is gaining steam and any state laws holding otherwise are, in my opinion, likely to be found unconstitutional if challenged.

Fine line between cynical and observant.

They tried him in State court.

National trend has been to restore voting rights to felons. Use to be they lost them. Now the majority of states allow them to retain that right and thjose which don't generally only rescind that right during incarceration and any term of parole. My state, Colorado, has restored their voting rights.

Can't pardon a state crime or conviction, only federal.

Yes.

Have we ever not?

Trump is a man of constant sorrow, He's seen trouble all his days He bids farewell to Mara Lago, and his beard Melania (And his beard, Melania!) For seven long years he's been in trouble, No pleasures here on earth he found His life has been quite Stormy, Who say that he, likes to be bound (Who says taht he, likes to be bound) It's fare thee well my old lover I never expect to see you again For I'm bound to ride that northern railroad, Perhaps I'll die upon this train (Or from some constipation strain) You can bury me in some deep valley, For many years where I may lay Then you may learn to love another, While I am sleeping in my grave (While he is sleeping in his grave) Maybe your friends think I'm just a stranger My face, you'll never see no more But there is one promise that is given I'll meet you on MAGA's golden (He'll meet you on MAGA's golden )