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Read a stat yesterday When the opposing team scores 32 or more points this season... Josh Allen is 3-0 Rest of NFL QBs 6-61-2

Also talking top end QB contracts is sort of moot now a days when its just next guy up gets most money. When Hurts signed he was the highest paid player ever for a second. Him making less than some others is a fact but its just timing of contracts.

Everyone has injuries. Just because a unit sees a few injuries doesnt mean you retool it next year. Unless you are planning on releasing or trading some of these quality starters in their prime. I cant argue with him winning a SB and their success. I would absolutely say since he has started, in entirety, he has enjoyed playing with one of thr very best offensive rosters in football, if not the best over that stretch. Not his fault, im.just wondering what he would look like without a bunch of pro bowlers. He has always sort of been a low volume, tush push sort of QB that isnt asked to ever take over games. Just sort of wondering what he has in thr bag if his teams run game is having issues or a lineman God forbid gets hurt. Not saying they shouldn't or couldnt retool in some way. But unless you start getting rid of quality players there isnt a lot of starting spots open to improve quickly. Maybe a guard spot. I believe Goedert is a FA. Thats about it.

Private equity is here RIP college football

I doubt this goes well. But for what its worth...JJ Watt said he runs same scheme with his HS team. And that he has talked to the coach for weeks, sometimes breaking down film.

Jingle all the way

Im not forming it off 1 game. Ive always thought he was meh as a passer. Hes showed up in some big games to his credit. The question was basically, does he need the best roster in football to look like a top 10 QB? Rough patches happen. But this "they will retool". I dont know, maybe build roster differently. But you are going to retool a top 5 WR duo to be better? Upgrade TE? Overhaul the OL because they had some injuries for once and werent the absolute best unit? Get a new RB? What exactly is there to retool on offense besides bringing in some OL bodies? They traded their swing tackle to the Packers this season... Obviously a new OC could be called a retool.

Just not their year

Oh I know. They went from 1st OL to not as good. Not saying they cant use that upgraded at this point. But can well paid Hurts, Barkley, Brown, Smith, Goedart not function without an elite OL? Its like Hurts needs all pros at each position. Im not a PFF slut. Its not the gospel. But when trying to look into OL rankings, it is at least a reference. This was written on December 3rd -The team's offensive line surrendered just four pressures to the Bears' pass rush, moving the unit back into the top five of these rankings.

He was an OC before he got this job. Is it insane that he calls the plays if the new OC is a dope? Thats sort of the insurance in losing an OC. The HC is an offensive guy.

I realize they won a SB with this group. But what would retool mean? Get rid of AJ Brown? I heard a Philly fan say 40 attempts! Thats not Hurts' game. I mean is 40 attempts once in a while in a competitive game with OT...insane? Why have a top 5 wr duo and a good TE if that is just blasphemy? Hurts has literally had one of if not the best set of offensive players for most all his career. If the preference is to tush push, run it, play action 1 read throw...then its silly to keep Brown around at his nunber and not get anything for him.

And that play hasnt been as good so they are lost. Out of teams that may make the playoffs the only team with less points per game is the Texans and they are right behind. The rest that are below the Eagles are eliminated or all but eliminated. Yet they have a top 5 WR duo, Barkley, and a rock solid TE. And their division is Skins, Giants, Cowboys, not exactly tough defenses.

His passing ability is not impressive

So basically wrong pick for that team....hence my point.

You said its basically his rookie year because last year they canned coaches. Then go onto say hes ahead of schedule. To me that sounds like an excuse. How far is Maye ahead of schedule then? Daniels was in running for MVP in his actual rookie season. How slow was the schedule for a "generational talent"? Of course year 2 fot any QB isnt the end all, but when his peers, drafted after him, go and play much better earlier than him.....I cant say hes ahead of schedule. Not sure how anyone could. To stress it, im not saying he blows and will never be good. I just dont know what hes done that is that impressive. Are you blown away by him having a chance to beat a division rival and hold onto the division...and then throwing a bad ball that gets picked off in endzone? Are you blown away by his numbers? He ranks bottom 3rd of league in most any metrics besides running.

Im not talking about fantasy football. And I didnt say id take Bryce over Caleb. I was just wondering why 1 guy got written off after year one with a crap team and changing coaches and the other its made into an excuse. Its kind of like when guys like Darnold and Baker were written off. Then Justin Fields got year after year of excuses. The guidelines as to how QBs are seen seem to be random. Like I said im not trashing Caleb. Hes improved. Im not saying he sucks and wont ever be solid. But I dont see exactly what hes shown with good weapons, a top OL, and one of the very best offensive coaches....he will have a big game here or there. But a lot of Justin Fields looking games. Im impressed with Ben Johnson and how they rebuilt their OL quickly. Cant say im all that impressed with Caleb.

Jeanty was worth the 6th overall pick. Dumb organizations cant stop from doing dumb things over and over.

Hard to see the DB while moving left. I think they scouted that play anf told the other side cb to watch out. Nixon read it and came totally off his guy to go get it. Was a great play. But if Caleb throws it with an urgency not just assuming...its a TD. Seems like it was more a lazy throw than a total miss throw.

I know he was running left so sometimes its hard to get enough on it. But he has enough arm talent. Was weird, almost as if he thought he could just float it up to the TE and no one would be around. Nixon made a heady play, but almost looked like Caleb thought it was a gimmie. If he throws it a little sooner, or with more juice, or leads up up and left a little....its a TD. Not to mention a split second longer wait and DJ Moore is coming uncovered underneath and walks in. Ben Johnson again drew up a good play that was there but Caleb couldnt get it done.

Not crying, they won. Just watch a Packers game and watch him get held each play. Its actually quite astonishing. Getting double teamed and then also held for 3 hours has to be exhausting. Sounds kinky actually.

Im not even railing on Caleb, I understand his rookie year saw some mess at coaches. But other QBs see that and dont get a pass like Caleb. People tried to use that excuse for years with Fields until they finally just now realized he just not very good. Bryce Young is 2 spots ahead of Caleb in rating and 2 spots behind in QBR. I get he has a year on him. But his coach was fired in his first season with Thielen as his number 1 and no talent. And people quickly wrote him off. Is Bryce on schedule? I get you could say Caleb just has more pure talent than Bryce or other QBs who are written off quickly. But the rules/guidelines/judegment seem to be different for other QBs.

Oh im not saying he sucks. Ive held same position on him fot a bit. Hes talented, I think a little sporadic. He throws some great balls but then also misses easy ones. He has talent, but Ben and that retooled OL are what finding them wins this season. Caleb is just sort of along for thr ride. Im not sure how you can say ahead of schedule. Hes not bad but definitely not ahead. Hes a generational talent supposedly. He didnt have Oduzne this game. But he has a top 10 WR a top 10 TE, DJ Moore, 2nd round Burden, a vet like Kmet, thr number 1 rated OL this year, Ben Johnson, and a light schedule with a defense that has taken it away more than anyone. It would be hard for any QB to screw that up let alone a "generational talent". He still has plenty of justin Fields looking games. Coming into this game he was 40th out of 42 qualifiers in adjusted completion %. 1 behind JJ mcCarthey and 1 ahead of dillion gabriel.

And im not even complaining about the refs its just like at some point have to call 1 or 2. Annoying to then see a ticky tack hold call elsewhere on the field.

Ben is doing all he can to get him layup schemed up throws. As seen on that tricky throwback to the TE who go lost cutting through the line. The final play was a great playcall but better play by Nixon. It was there enough and Caleb didnt get it to him. As a Packers fan, I dont like Caleb. I will say he is a playmaker and can make some wow plays. Hes very fleet of foot. But down in and down out I dont see anything great. Ben schemes a lot for him. Their OL is good, their run game is good.

Now I know what Cowboys fans meant when they used to say Parsons gets held all the time. Its literally every other pass rush snap.