Ray_T

I was less concerned about it because he was moving to a team with a far superior offensive line. so I figured that would offset any decline in his skillset. but as they say we all get told one day we cannot play the game anymore. some of us find out at 16, some of us at 35 or even older. but we are all told. I do think Henry is a bit unique in that his game is not dependent on speed like most RB's. hes a power runner. and I dont think the power has gone away. but sooner or later he will slow to a point where it matters. hes definitely at a point in his career where his skills will be in decline. what we dont know is if it will be a gradual slope or a steep one. From a risk perspective its fairly risky. I dont like taking that level of risk in my first round pick. I always look at my top picks and try to aim for a first round pick that is high upside and low risk. thats what a first round pick should be. Henry likely is still high upside, but due to age, he is a moderate risk. for me that knocks him into the second round. That likely means I wont get him. Hes probably still a good pick, dont get me wrong. but my level of certainty on that is not what it was last year. hes now one year older. so thats higher risk. no matter how you slice it. I might be right, I might be wrong. we wont know for sure until they play out the season.

well, lots of RB come into the league and stay healthy for a year or two. its once you get into year 3, 4, and 5 that injuries start to catch up with some players. some guys get hurt in year 1 but most of those guys were also getting hurt in college. Either way, my philosophy is..... if it aint broke, dont try to fix it. right now, the run game is running as it should in Detroit. I know fantasy managers are sad that Gibbs isnt getting more touches, but hes not doing badly at all. The benefits of having Monty here for 2 years to share the burden has likely extended Gibbs career by a year already. If Monty can stay 1 or 2 more years, that will likely save him another. You gotta treat the RB position as if it is a depreciating asset. Most RB's are done by the time they hit 28 or 29 years old. some RB's who are heavily used are done even sooner than that. And Gibbs is not built like Derek Henry. he cannot take that kind of punishment. So having Monty there really cuts down on the number of big hits he takes out there and likely has prolonged his expected life as a starter. I'd view it as similar to doing maintenance on your car. if you do it when you should, your car will last a lot longer than it will if you dont. I think Monty has 2 good years left in him. and If I were Him I'd wanna stay where the chances of winning a superbowl are good. I would not care as much about the money. (within reason of course)

and I do think we will see some regression. due to his age, hes not a guy I'd take early in the first round even though this years numbers likely warrant that. for me, hes probably a 2nd round pick. thing about RB's is when the wheels fall off it can somethimes happen quickly. losing a 2nd round pick to injury likely doesnt devastate your team if you draft well. but Losing a first round pick can have that effect. risk wise, he shouldnt be a first rounder. but he will probably go in the first round.

Gibbs is good. no doubt. he just wont be ranked higher than this until Monty moves on. lots of wishcasting in terms of having Monty move on, but I honestly think they work good together as a tandem.

I think a lot of coaches get a bad rap. Lots of times the coach takes the hit, but the real blame needs to be pointed at the GM. I am not suggesting Nagy is one of those, though he did coach for the bears. sometimes a bad team is a bad team. a good coach can make a bad team look good for a while. a great coach can make a bad team play good consistently. in the case of Nagy, they did have some good seasons in chicago even though they didnt have the qb play. so I'm not 100% sure hes a bad coach. I just dont think hes a great coach. and he might be a good coach as that bears team did perform for him at least for a while. I think he deserves another shot. New Orleans has its own problems though. they are tight to the cap and I think they may not be able to keep all their pending free agents. so unless they can reload successfully in the draft he may struggle with that team.

I wouldnt be surprised if the Lions tried to keep him. by Keeping Monty around Gibbs doesnt have to do as much hard running between the tackles. His presence cuts down on the wear and tear on Gibbs. and given how close the Lions are to possibly winning a superbowl, I could see Monty giving the Lions a team friendly deal to stay. its actually a smart way to go. Not great for fantasy but for the Lions its saving some of the tread on the tires so that Gibbs can have a longer career. I think its smart management. Monty doesnt have that much time left in his career anyhow, but as long as hes productive why wouldnt they go the way they have been going? of course if Monty asks to get paid, then probably he will go. team cant afford to open the bank vaults for an older RB. I suspect Monty knows this. but given how many older RB's were on the chopping block the last few years, I dont think he wants to go there either. its risky for him to try to get paid. might find the unemployment line instead.

I'd say Winston is maybe an extreme example but Yeah I get what you are saying.

Barkley is a good candidate. for me its about the combination of his talent and the line in front of him. if the line remains intact, he will have another very very good season.

Henry can Still play. we can see that. With players like him when they get to this age, its mostly about whether they can stay healthy. its still hard as hell to tackle him. and his game was never about speed. Not really. Its been about Power. and that part of his game is still fine and will be for a while if he still plays. with a guy like him it will be a nasty injury of sorts that will finish him off. so its really about whether he can stay healthy.

They said the same thing about Henry early in his career. Because he didnt win the starting job outright as a rookie. I dont think hes been bad. I just think its a case where they have another RB who is really good so they arent running him into the ground yet. honestly its better for the team. Just not better for your fantasy roster. and one thing people always need to keep in mind is that teams will act in their own interests..... and that will sometimes clash with your interests as a fantasy owner.

This is old news is it not?

I wouldnt say hes garbage, but hes has not shown he deserves the money they are gonna be paying him. Garbage would imply he doesnt belong as a starter at the NFL level. I think hes better than that. but hes not the elite player he was supposed to be and the Jags paid for a star calibre QB and for the most part, Lawrence has not delivered on his end. There are reasons for this and not all are his fault but to some degree the organization has not done a very good job of putting him in a position to be successful either. To be clear, I'm not fully defending the guy. he has to take some of the responsibility too. But (like with Daniel Jones) The team didnt exactly help by putting him in a position to succeed either.

for sure, the right call for the team. though the fans will, no doubt be disappointed. I will go on record to say this shows what the difference is between a good O line and a bad one. Look at Barkleys performance in New York the last couple of years and compare to what hes done in Philly. I dont want to Criticize the New York Giants organization, but they had an A grade talent and were unable to make the most of it.

you guys should see if you can get the league its own thread in the geek league section. I think the Axe (if he were to come back for one day) would have liked that. though I must say, he was a Chiefs fan, by this point in the season, hed be on us about how great his team is (and for good reason.... the team has been very good) so if you want to honor him, I guess if your team is out, you can cheer for the chiefs in his stead.

dont worry some stats nerds will keep track of all that. we will have the 16 game record and a 17 game record. and if they ever go to an 18 game season, they will have an 18 game record.

honestly if its a lateral, williams should not be getting credit for a catch. Technically thats a run. yardage and TD should be all he gets for scoring. it is interesting seeing some of these plays coming from the CFL playbook and making their way into the NFL. Fun play to watch.

I dont think they are happy. but they have no choice in the matter. They are stuck with each other due to that fully guaranteed contract.

its good for the fans, but likely unwise for the team to give him more than a light workout. but hes only 101 yards away and if he plays, that would likely be one of the higher rated football games of the year. I think the NFL would want him to play and may even pressure the Iggles to play him. he doenst have to get the record. it just needs to be close so people will stay tuned in to the TV. I think I'd probably let him go for the record. but if it gets to a point where its clear hes not getting it I'd yank him quickly.

yeah, but its situational. Dobbins was only out a couple weeks. Pacheco was out most of the season. so Pacheco was nowhere close to being in game shape. Dobbins likely was still in decent shape when he returned. thats actually a big deal when projecting your players totals in the first game back from an injury.

agreed. good chat.

100% true. and this makes it harder to fairly evaluate their QB because its not often that the QB has to perform with a pass rusher in their face. to that end, it becomes hard for the QB to live up to that hype when they move to the pro level. keep in mind, this isnt the fault of the QB. all you can do is give him credit for performing in a situation where they outclass their opponent. you can project what they do when the opponent plays at a higher level, but how many opponents had a D line that is even capable of pushing around the Bama O line? and how often did it actually happen? I suspect the answer to the first question is 1 or 2 (maybe 3). the answer to the second one is likely 1 or zero (in terms of whole games)

yeah, if you started Henry in the same game, his production makes up for an awful lot. Either way, usually with kickers(and RB) , they usually score reasonably well if they are on the winning team. Not so well if they are on the losing team. interesting stat about Baltimore though. Though I'd like to see which teams lit them up. I suspect with kickers vs Baltimore its feast or famine and if we look at the week by week stats, I'm betting thats what you see. correction, just looked it up on fftoday.... Kicker: 2024 FF Points Allowed, Regular Season - FF Today they are tied for 12th,.... so mediocre. but still there were a couple big games against. the 18-16 loss to Pittsburgh where the Steel got 6 FG and no TD. and I get it. if the red zone D is keeping teams from getting in the end zone, you will give up more FG in games like this. but it does seem to be feast or famine if you look at the game by game stats.

quite possibly true. this isnt the first time I've heard stuff said like that bout the way they run the team there. for the record, I never make my judgement based on that. I am a big believer that a college QB requires a different skillset than a pro QB. Some college QB's who are a tier down from the top college QB make better pros. and some players look good in a certain offense and different (sometimes bad) in a different one. where I live it is not easy to follow us college ball to the extent that you likely watch it. I dont have any favourite college team so I dont have any bias in that respect. my decision in this issue is 100% based on what I have seen of these two players as pros. I'm also going to say it is likely still too early to tell for sure either way. Some QB take longer to come into their own at the pro level and sometimes being stuck with a bad coach can be enough to stop the player from developing as he should at the pro level. It is not too late for Bryce young to turn things around but he is likely running out of time. If he doesnt do anything next year, hes likely done as a starter at the NFL level. Its not even a guarantee that Carolina keeps him around next year. (though from what I have seen, it may actually be better for Bryce to be in a different organization next year. I dont believe Carolina gave him a good chance to be successful. I could go into this more, but I dont think I need to at this point. the debate is who was the best QB from that class. I think if I had to pick someone I'd take Stroud. Richardson may still have a higher ceiling, and still has a chance to come around as a pro level QB but in terms of what I like to see at the NFL level I'd still take Stroud.