Ray_T

naw this beats him by a country mile. this idiot wasnt even directly affected other than his hurt feelings on behalf of his fav college QB. dumb.

OMG how stupid does it get? apparently a distraught fan is sueing the NFL for 100M over his draft slide. I thought I had seen almost everything but this takes the cake. This is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. NFL Hit With $100 Million Lawsuit Over Shedeur Sanders' Draft Slide

yeah, the lanscape has changed somewhat and depending on how many WR/RB you start, and the rules in your league, the order you pick them can greatly vary. My big money keeper league (standard league, no PPR) starts 3 WR (actually 2 WR and a WR/TE flex which usually means you start 3 WR) and 2 RB as well as 2 QB (superflex) If only starting 2 WR I think its still to your advantage to go RB early, but if you are starting 3, that makes it a lot tougher. the last couple years, Ive typically I tried to get one stud WR early (as those types cannot be replaced) and then wait a couple rounds before drafting another WR opting to fill the RB spots. granted thats a standard league. PPR is a little different

yeah. I know. like I said, its hard to tell what the team was thinking.

the way I see it, there are only a handful of RB's capable of performing if the line is suspect. Barkley is one of the few. he performed at a good level in New york behind that terrible line. but most RB's need the line to open holes for them. to that end, I'd say addressing the O line was more important than addressing the RB position as I dont think that line was good enough to allow a RB to thrive anyway. so taking a RB early might have been a waste of a pick at this point. their RBs right now are good enough. and if the line improves with the new kid, the existing RB will perform to a decent level. it just wont be a strength of the team. though I see your point. they likely could have gotten a RB in the mid round picks that has potential to develop into a starter, and given their situation, that might have been a nice add. Run with the vets while they develop the kid. but I am not the GM so I dont know what those internal conversations are all about or what the plan actually is. But I think this team wants to be more of a passing team than a running one. so I think thats what has played into this decision (at least to some extent)

well, earlier, I posted (on another thread I think) that I felt he was likely a 2nd round talent. needs to fall into the right situation to succeed at the NFL. I think the browns have a decent O line, so he does have a chance here, but it is also the browns...... either way I still believe that. based on what I saw, he should have been a 2nd round pick. (give or take) if the team feels the intangibles are there, players like that sometimes go in the first. but I didnt see a franchise player. I saw a max upside that makes him an average, to above average NFL QB if he achieves his full potential. I do not see a game breaking, game changing player. and from the sound of it, the intangibles were not there, so he slid in the draft. Thats all this is. hes still a decent prospect. a great prospect for where he was actually drafted. but I wouldnt pay a first for him.

you dont even watch him even if you feel like a laugh? sometimes if I wanna know who not to bet on, I'll tune in and laugh, maybe take some notes...... and avoid his picks

probably true. I've seen some of the worst commentary out of there. I'm not sure how those guys have jobs. most of us could do better analysis.

you may be right. though a part of me is wondering if one of the aforementioned WR ahead of him on the depth chart is being shopped around. its possible. if this kid is all hes supposed to be, I could see the bucs dumping some salary and giving this kid the playing time he deserves.

they drafted a tackle who is projected to be a plus starter eventually. thats at least something. is it enough? I dont know. presumably they will start him out at guard. all I know is the team needed O line help. while this addresses some of this, I had hoped for more. and I'd argue they needed the O line help more than they needed a TE and/or WR. though I do see the attractiveness of having a young WR who can grow up with your starting QB.

good one!

I like the retooling of the O line. probably a necessary upgrade. not the sexy move but it is something that allows the team to be competitive for a long time if the players drafted keep healthy.

I agree. this is where the coachability issue will make or break him. if Sheduer is coachable, there is a real chance he could displace Flacco. of course they shouldnt bench Flacco if he has the team in a playoff spot but this IS the browns so who knows..... but if the team is .500 or worse by mid season and one of the kids drafted is looking good, they will probably get a shot if they are flashing in practice. however, if the kids are not looking like NFL calibre starters, they should continue to go with Joe regardless of record unless they are actually trying to tank.

well, I dont think it matters either way. if Sheduer isnt good enough to displace flacco, they will draft a QB either way

yes. thanks largely to Joe Flacco. and hes back. while everyone poo poos his acquisition, the bottom line is this guy knows how to run an offense. if the Defense does their job I think there is a fair chance Flacco can get this team into the post season (or at least keep them in the hunt)

fully agree. 5th rounders get cut reasonably often in real life. so the risks are no different than drafting a regular 5th rounder, but the potential upside is better. the Browns have been a train wreck of a franchise for some time. might as well go for the potential 5th round pick that can become a home run. me neither. but in the end, 2 QBs were taken deep enough in the draft that if one of them doesnt pan out, nobody will blink an eye. at least they have 2 lotto picks and didnt have to spend a first or second round pick on either. if either of them turn into a starter, the team is in good shape. if neither of them turn into a starter, its a loss, but not a big loss. certainly not franchise altering like the Deseaun Trade. and if either become a starter, they are on rookie contracts so they can afford to eat the Deseaun contract at that point. (mostly) and if Neither becomes a starter, Joe Flacco is good enough to keep the team in the hunt. if they actually make the playoffs, do you really care that Flacco doesnt get them to the superbowl? people have been expecting this team to be the sad sack of the league until Desean's contract runs out. so its a win for Cleveland if they even get a sniff of the playoffs. sure you wanna win a superbowl, but you gotta put this in perspective. I'd say given the dead money to Watson, a trip to the playoffs is a big win for this team.

I dont know about that. This is not a given. Kid still isnt a finished product. if hes coachable he could be the starter by mid season, but I think a red shirt year may be in order. (big IF)...... if hes not coachable, Flacco will not be unseated until the team is eliminated from the playoffs and it may not even be Sheduer who unseats him. If Flacco has the team in a position to make the playoffs, They will continue to roll with him. Thats how I'd play it as a coach/gm. I'm not a fan of just giving a starting job to anyone. They need to earn it by unseating a veteran who is still a capable starter in this league.

you know the answer to that is a hard NO. but pro football is different apparently lol

possibly. though from what I saw he didnt look like a first round player. he looked like a 2nd round player with some upside. Not bad mind you. quite a few players who fit into that category inevitably were drafted in the first round. its the off field stuff that likely prevented this from happening..

well, I'm a bit surprised hes fallen THIS far but not entirely surprised. his scouting report read a lot like that of Dak Prescott when he came into the league. and Dak was a 4th round pick that landed in the perfect situation where the team around him was able to cover his flaws long enough for him to develop the rest of his game to a good level. granted at the time Dak was drafted I thought he should have gone in round 2 or early round 3 so I thought the boys got a deal. but Dak didnt have the sense of entitlement that this guy had. he was a lot more coachable and didnt have a mouthpiece for a dad that was likely to become a coach/gm nightmare. So I was not totally surprised that he was not a first round pick. but usually there is a team or two out there that ignore those red flags and spend a first anyway. so I figured it was 50-50 that this scenario plays out. What I'm surprised about is that we are now halfway into round 4 and hes not taken. but maybe the thing with his old man is worse than we know. maybe the guy is badgering GM's and such and they just want none of that. either way this is no longer about his talent. this is about the off field stuff now. and perhaps his coachability.

wow this has turned into a freefall for the kid. I do feel bad for him. Hes talented enough that he should be off the board, but I think this is his dads fault. I think hes likely to yap in the coach and GM's ear if he doesnt like the way his son is handled and then likely to yap to the media. Not an element you want in your dressing room I think. and I dont think the Tape on Sheduer was good enough that I'd be willing to let that go. though now hes at a point where a team needs to use a 4th on him. at that price as a team you can walk away from him if he doesnt pan out or if his dad gets too annoying. I'm sure someone takes a chance on him soon. the Browns who everyone thought wanted him were quoted as saying hes a nice prospect but sometimes its about 'fit'. I think that says it all.

well, another defender to add to an already very good defense. cant argue with that. but then again, the whole team was pretty good to begin with either way, the fact they won the superbowl and actually still own their own first round pick should scare a few teams. if they nail this pick, that defense will be even better.

I figured they would take a RB in round 1 or 2. this will likely be a committee. At least for this next year. but its definitely possible Hampton could win the starting gig outright.

well, the Saints passed on him. now the question is where does he go in round 2. I do think a trade up in round 2 is possible. Maybe even likely. It will be interesting to see how far he falls. If the saints were thinking about taking him, their patience has likely paid off. They now can get him for a very reasonable price and if his dad starts giving them a headache as a helicopter parent, they can just trade him or sit him. (or release him outright)

Well, I think his dad has influenced this a lot. I dont know that I'd want the kid if his dads gonna be constantly in my ear about how he should be used. And based on some of the public comments I think thats exactly how this is gonna play out. Unless you want his old man coming in to coach your team, you dont wanna spend a first rounder on the kid. but if he goes in round 2 or 3 that may be less of a problem. Teams are far more willing to walk from a 2nd or 3rd rounder than a first. it eliminates some of the gong show that could happen if the kid is taken early in round 1.