Ray_T

so far what I've seen is most of his mistakes happen when there is someone in his face. I have not seen a ton of unforced errors. granted the amount of tape i've seen isnt as large as I'd like. but this is in line with a fair number of reports. in many respects that is still a cut above a lot of NFL QB. take any middling NFL QB and cut out the unforced errors and you have an upper tier QB. so if he can carry this trait to the NFL all you need to do is make sure he plays behind a good O line and has someone decent to throw to. sounds simple, but you'd be surprised how many teams find ways to complicate this.

I agree. hes not special. he is good enough provided the team around him is good. basically hes Dak Prescott. (though maybe a little better playoff performer than Dak has been so far) or possibly Kirk Cousins. very good at his best but not elite. maybe thats a better comparison. especially considering playing style that said, Dak also didnt have as good a team around him as Purdy did and Dallas for a few years was playing in the worst division in football, and looked better than they actually were. I fully acknowledge, Purdy still has room to improve. he is young enough. case in point would be Baker Mayfield. hes been a bit of a late bloomer at QB and honestly he showed some moxie last year that I never truly thought he had. he lost his #1 WR and #2 WR and still was able to perform at a decent level without them. when I see something like that I think I actually place more value on him than I do on Purdy because of what he was able to do in the wake of adversity (in this case injuries to key members of the offense) granted Baker is still not well regarded because of his past performance, but the last 2 years have really opened my eyes with respect to how I evaluate the guy. he broke out but I attributed that (at least in part) to having top WR to throw the ball to. but when those guys got hurt I really thought he'd be a writeoff, but he still performed reasonably. Thats more than I can say about Brock Purdy. but I agree, they should sign him if they can. key is to structure that contract with less guaranteed money so they can get out of that contract if he crashes and burns. I suppose the franchise tag is an option if they are not sold on him. buy another year to evaluate him.

I think the only way this is feasable is if a certain amount of the contract/cap hit is eaten by the phins. If the phins cut bait..... I honestly cant see them doing this unless there are other problems we do not know about. (which is always possible)

I think the issue is that Purdy is a 'system QB' to be frank, there is Nothing wrong with that so long as you stay in the same system. Purdy's best value as a player is where he is. He might make more if he goes to another team, but his stats wont be what they were in San Fran. I dont think anyone here would be able to convince me otherwise. At the same time, Purdy is ideally suited to the system they run in San Fran. I dont think San Fran finds someone who is better (at least noone they have the ability to acquire) so I'd say this: Both sides NEED each other. Purdy can get the money elsewhere, but he wont get another top contract afterwards because his numbers drop off when he leaves San Fran. Either way, most players want to play where they can be the best version of themselves. so both sides need to figure this out.

yet the rumours persist. I'm with you. I dont think its a smart move but I find it entertaining what kind of garbage rumours some people will latch onto. then again, if Purdy is asking for substantially more than he deserves that may point to the validity of the rumour.

probably fair. I figure hes an adequate to good starter but not elite.

for sure. and given the age of the players. I dont see it happening. but I can see why some would think its a good idea. If I were the GM in San Fran, this is not a move I'd make. though we also dont know how much money Purdy is asking for. if the ask is for top 3 or top 5 money I'm not sure he should get it. I suspect the Rodgers rumour is being leaked in San fran as a negotiating tactic to make the Purdy camp feel like they have alternatives.

yeah but a CMC and his threat to run and in the short pass game significantly changes how a team plays you. yeah rodgers is the one with more TD. I keep telling people his season wasnt THAT bad other than the yardage. and honestly I expected the first couple games hed be a bit rusty. tack on a couple hundred yards to account for that. are we having the same conversation if he has 4100 yards along with 28 TD and 11 INT? maybe. but maybe not. Jets lost a lot of one score games. that might have made their win loss record almost palatable. and keep in mind Rodgers didnt have the weapons purdy had. and one of his weapons arrived mid season. it is a tough thing for a WR to change offenses in mid season another drag on the offense to some extent. personally, with numbers like what Rodgers had, the team should have been a .500 team. who really let them down was the defense. I thought the D was gonna be top 5 and they were nowhere close. to that end, I can see why the rumour is there. but the reality is that Rodgers is still on the wrong side of the age 40. If you are San Fran the only reason you entertain this is if you truly think Purdy is not the QB of the future. and you cannot have Purdy stay if you bring in Rodgers. that would invite a QB controversy. you need to let him go if you sign Rodgers. but I suspect this is all speculation on a move that wont happen. But Shanny does see things many of us dont. so I wouldnt say its a lock not to happen. but I think its more likely he brings in a retread first round QB who didnt cut it and tries to rehab him. or if any of the top prospects at QB drop into round 2 maybe he takes one of them. but I'd be surprised if this ends up being the move.

I do agree to a point. you also need to consider the fan base too. Dak will never win a superbowl, but the team made the playoffs every year. as long as that continues, I can see why the team wanted to re sign him. sometimes that process of drafting and developing a new QB can be real hard on the fan base. and if you swing and miss, you are now looking at a minimum of 5-6 years until you are competitive again. Thats an awful lot of revenue you are giving up to try to find THE ONE. though I think enough signs were there that Dallas likely should have bailed on Dak rather than give him that massive deal last year (was it last year? might have been the year before) I do think Stroud is likely a keeper. Mayfield I'm still on the fence. he likely fits into the same category as Dak when Dak finished his rookie deal. he probably gets TB into the playoffs. I dont think he gets them a superbowl. but for ownership, that might actually be good enough.

pro day is fine, but I actually prefer to look at game tape. a pro day doesnt necessarily do a great job of simulating game conditions. either way, when I see reports all over the map like this it generally means I need to look at the tape and see for myself. no biggie there. I enjoy watching football anyhow. when there is good concensus on a player I dont often come to a different conclusion when I watch the tape. it does happen but not a lot. for me, these are the situations where I do extra research simply because the opinions on the kid are all over the map. That also means this is potentially where a large steal could be had because the player could be undervalued. I've seen enough good traits in the scouting report that I feel extra research is warranted. it may even be a situation where his value will largely depend on where he actually lands. Nice thing about these guys who are ranked as a late first or early 2nd round pick is that they could actually be drafted by a good team and properly developed.. if drafted top 8 or top 10 its likely expected that the kid will see significant time on the field before his rookie year is done.

I think purdy doesnt do as well in Pittsburgh. he had some very good WR, a top notch coach, and a great offense as a whole. Pittsburgh just doesnt have all of those things. and when things are missing from that combo a player like purdy could have his faults more exposed than before. I think in Pittsburgh he is meh. a little better than Wilson was but not as good as he was in San fran overall. the last year with CMC hurt and WR in and out of the lineup may be a better indicator of what he does in pittsburgh. he wont be quite that bad, but That is likely more in the ballpark of the kind of numbers he would put up in Pittsburgh.

It was pretty decent I must say. they also did a reasonable job of doing it in a way that people who dont minecraft will understand it. while its not the best I've ever seen its pretty good. definitely worth a watch.

I agree. if you dont have a QB, Rodgers is a nice gamble. if you do have a QB who is at least decent...... I'm not sure its worth the risk for a 41 year old QB who may or may not still be able to play.

my fear with purdy, is that he can perform in a Shanny system but not anywhere else. He was drafted because he suited the system moreso than for his talent (though it turns out he was more talented than what people generally saw in the pre draft scouting reports) of course, I could be wrong there. but I can see where this type of deal would work. Steelers sign Rodgers, retain a certain amount of salary in sending him to San Fran and get Purdy in return (presumably at a cheaper price than theyd normally pay as I cant see this as a straight across trade)

I thought he retired last year.

Hey, I would hardly call a team thats been in 5 of the last 6 superbowls horrible. sure I'll fully admit they are not as good as some of the superbowl winning teams of the past, but the bar there is sky high. Team didnt lose a lot of games this year so I think that comment is a bit out of line (unless you are suggesting the whole league is trash except for Philly.... in which case I'll just write it off as a homer comment)

people definitely see what they wanna see. and hear what they wanna hear. from my perspective, the reports on him seem to be all over the map. I'm very serious about this. I see one report saying his pro day was brilliant. another saying it was a bust. which makes me wonder if some of the people writing these reviews even know anything about football. I'm gonna try to check out some of the tape on this kid before the draft as clearly there is no concensus about this kid. Granted, when you are not the top ranked QB this might be the reason. But I do have an idea of what I like in a QB prospect and based on the one scouting report, he has at least some of the traits you want to see. From what I can tell, the one thing I'll say is when there is no pressure, hes not gonna make an unforced error. I fully acknowledge there are not a lot of occasions where there is no pressure at the NFL level but you'd be surprised at how many unforced errors are made by QB's who are drafted early in round 1.

Hey, I dont think there is a whole lot more development for purdy. hes going into his 4th year as a pro. I think if the 49 ers bring in Rodgers, they NEED to dump Purdy. I dont think there is any question about that. and are you gonna dump Purdy for an aging vet who might give you one good year (two at most) I think not. but I have seen an awful lot of strange things happen, so I wont completely rule it out but I dont see this happening unless Shanny thinks Purdy isnt the QB of the future. (which leads me to say they absolutely NEED to trade Purdy if they sign Rodgers.)

well, the good news is, hes not the consensus top QB in the draft so he can likely be had without breaking the bank

you didnt need to go through all of that to make your point. lots here would tell you that straight away lol

I am just telling you what I saw in the scouting report. it does remind me a lot of Dak prescotts scouting report when he turned pro. he was not a first round pick. All I am doing is telling you what I see in the report. to that end, what I see in his scouting report reminds me a lot of what I read in Daks when he turned pro. Thats all I am saying. it feels like hes a QB that need a line in front of him but he does scramble and that mitigates (but does not eliminate) this need somewhat. maybe he didnt have a good line in front of him when he played and this likely is part of the reason hes given a bit of a pass on the scouting report. I dont think hes the top QB in this draft, but I do think he is draftable and in the right situation, can be a player. but his ability to perform may be situational. (translation late first or 2nd round pick)

well, this isnt entirely abnormal. and most of those teams had franchise QB who could get them there. I'm guessing if you look at the teams with no appearances, most of them havent a QB who can consistently play or they have a carousel of QB who may have been highly drafted, but who couldnt get it done at the pro level. I guess my question to you is what is your point that you are trying to make?

hes a QB that needs a good line in front of him to perform. his scouting report doesnt read all that different from that of Dak Prescott. he makes bad decisions when the pass rush is in his face (paraphrased) he makes plays with his legs when there is nothing there just like Dak (but hes not as good a runner as dak is) like Dak, hes a situational QB who can perform if the line in front of him is good. Dak just got lucky in that he was drafted by the team with the leagues best O line which covered up a lot of his weaknesses. if drafted into a similar situation he might be ok. but the line in front of him NEEDS to be good. Otherwise the kid likely doesnt perform. are there any teams out there with a top O line in need of a QB?

I cannot say for sure I'm 100% right but its still an educated guess with a couple cases that appear to fit the theory. you never truly know unless you are in the room. but I have found the best coaches will tweak or even change the system they run to take advantage of the skillsets of their players. the worst coaches will try to make a square peg fit into a round hole and make the player adapt to the system. sometimes the player can do it. Sometimes not. but typically in that scenario the GM NEEDS to draft players who fit the system to a T, otherwise you are churning through players at a pace thats not sustainable. This is largely the difference between college coaches and pro level coaches. in college, you can easily recruit players that fit your system far easier than it is to draft them at the pro level where other teams running a similar system may draft those players ahead of you.

I actually see some similar comments compared to Dak Prescott's scouting report when he came out of school. I seem to recall the scouting report on Dak was hes not that good when the pass rush is in his face. but then he landed in Dallas (who had what may have been the best O line in the NFL at that time) and proceeded to win the starting job once Romo got hurt. I think Dak is a better runner than him but both of them could be a similar style of QB at the NFL level. The QB run will be used when the pass play breaks down but wont be a regular play call by the offense. I do think in a similar environment behind a good O line this kid can be good. Might need a red shirt year to get to that point (especially if the O line is not doing a great job in pass protection)