Ray_T

he does have that kind of upside. but due to rodgers age/health I'm still treating as a low end WR1. but the upside on that pick is considerable. it looks like his ADP is shortening up so people are catching on that this is a good pick at his ADP.

I think the only way hes not a WR1 is if Rodgers gets hurt again. look who was his QB the last 2 years when he put up 1000 yards in his rookie year and 1100 last year. I think with a legit QB this guy could be a stud. I'm treating him as if hes a low end WR1 right now with upside

well, it is worth noting that on each team he had an alpha WR on the other side who is a deep threat. he doesnt have this in Buffalo so maybe his need is greater here.

fully agree on the skill. that leaves only one reason why he could possibly be there. they want a guy with a superbowl ring on the roster. Its the only logical (or semi logical) explanation. hes not there for his production on the field I doubt. unless for some reason the coach thinks he can get more out of him than any other team with an elite QB has.

exactly my point. but then there is the risk of keeping CMC. but after the draft the trade market would be (presumably) a lot more robust. the offer you just got is..... rather uninspiring. maybe thats the path unless you really wanna cut bait on him

yep. it IS the browns....

its also possible that CMC becomes a more valuable asset once the keepers are declared. at that point I assume auction dollars dont matter anymore and then you can get whatever you want/need. unless there are cap rules associated with this but usually in my experience its just keeper dollars. once player is kept its a free for all.

they will totally give them up for Aiyuk. San Fran may be wanting a player in return. If they are hoping to win a Superbowl that would be preferable to just a draft pick. maybe Amari Cooper along with a 2nd might do it. might have to be a first. Not sure the exact market there, but it wouldnt be a straight up trade. I can guarantee you of that.

honestly, when you consider that the offense couldnt stay on the field, and couldnt sustain drives, this D has been borderline heroic. if the offense with Rodgers can sustain a drive even half the time this D is likely top 3. and this D will rack up the turnovers when protecting a lead late in games. best part is... for fantasy you dont need to draft them early

I would also trade Deebo before Aiyuk but I am also not in charge. its also possible Aiyuk is a big enough Diva that hes worn out his welcome with the team. We dont see what goes on behind closed doors so it's easy for us as outsiders to say this but in reality we dont have the full picture.

I think the coach wants to train people in his own image. There seems to be a lot of that and that seems to be his history. build the team from the ground up.

ok some news. not sure how much truth there is to this. but it makes for some interesting debate I suspect.... NFL Analyst Reports Cleveland Browns A Finalist for Brandon Aiyuk Trade (si.com)

its far too early in camp to make that determination. if it still looks like this with only one exhibition game left then Id say hes in trouble. Vets get to sit a lot in early pre season and sometimes dont look the part until the chips are on the table. personally I think hes there more for his superbowl experience than he is for his skill as a WR. while the skill as a WR needs to meet a minimum level for him to stay, I think he gets some leeway because they want that experience in the room. lets be clear, neither of us thinks hes a stud. Quite probably not even a starter. the waters get awfully murky beyond that point when you are this early in the pre season. either way I dont care a whole lot about this as I'm never drafting him in any of my leagues anyway. but to summarize, you think he doesnt make the roster cuz hes not good. I think hes there for the experience and likely makes the team for that reason alone. Personally I think the difference is I'm taking the superbowl ring into account more than you are. and thats fine. that happens sometimes. Lets see what happens.

Maybe so. though I think the New York offense started actually looking like an offense when he took over. granted the bar is quite low as the offense didnt look to be pro caliber the year prior.

I agree. but if hes dirt cheap to get back in an auction, then there is really no reason to keep him. I'd say cost to buy hopkins at auction would be greater than the cost to buy Shakir. Thats the only reason not to keep Shakir. In the end I value both players pretty close to the same. in keeper/dynasty Shakir has more future value as Hopkins is now on the wrong side of 30 years of age. but Hopkins has more present value (if healthy) but we are dangerously close to that point where it flips and shakir has more value. in the end, if you think you can win this year, you keep Hopkins, if not, Shakir is the better bet as he has a brighter future.

to add to that comment, that may well be part of the reason the team didnt draft another QB while I would have liked to see them take the best O lineman on the board its hard not to fill a skill position that early in the draft and that was also a position of need for the G men. a burner at WR will change the way teams need to defend them somewhat. But the line remains a concern for me. but when your line is bad and your WR overall are subpar, thats a bad combination for a QB to have to deal with. Thats why I'm not 100% sure its Danny's fault. sure he has to accept some of the blame, but I'm not willing to place all of this on his shoulders.