Ray_T

I agree. if you dont have a QB, Rodgers is a nice gamble. if you do have a QB who is at least decent...... I'm not sure its worth the risk for a 41 year old QB who may or may not still be able to play.

my fear with purdy, is that he can perform in a Shanny system but not anywhere else. He was drafted because he suited the system moreso than for his talent (though it turns out he was more talented than what people generally saw in the pre draft scouting reports) of course, I could be wrong there. but I can see where this type of deal would work. Steelers sign Rodgers, retain a certain amount of salary in sending him to San Fran and get Purdy in return (presumably at a cheaper price than theyd normally pay as I cant see this as a straight across trade)

I thought he retired last year.

Hey, I would hardly call a team thats been in 5 of the last 6 superbowls horrible. sure I'll fully admit they are not as good as some of the superbowl winning teams of the past, but the bar there is sky high. Team didnt lose a lot of games this year so I think that comment is a bit out of line (unless you are suggesting the whole league is trash except for Philly.... in which case I'll just write it off as a homer comment)

people definitely see what they wanna see. and hear what they wanna hear. from my perspective, the reports on him seem to be all over the map. I'm very serious about this. I see one report saying his pro day was brilliant. another saying it was a bust. which makes me wonder if some of the people writing these reviews even know anything about football. I'm gonna try to check out some of the tape on this kid before the draft as clearly there is no concensus about this kid. Granted, when you are not the top ranked QB this might be the reason. But I do have an idea of what I like in a QB prospect and based on the one scouting report, he has at least some of the traits you want to see. From what I can tell, the one thing I'll say is when there is no pressure, hes not gonna make an unforced error. I fully acknowledge there are not a lot of occasions where there is no pressure at the NFL level but you'd be surprised at how many unforced errors are made by QB's who are drafted early in round 1.

Hey, I dont think there is a whole lot more development for purdy. hes going into his 4th year as a pro. I think if the 49 ers bring in Rodgers, they NEED to dump Purdy. I dont think there is any question about that. and are you gonna dump Purdy for an aging vet who might give you one good year (two at most) I think not. but I have seen an awful lot of strange things happen, so I wont completely rule it out but I dont see this happening unless Shanny thinks Purdy isnt the QB of the future. (which leads me to say they absolutely NEED to trade Purdy if they sign Rodgers.)

well, the good news is, hes not the consensus top QB in the draft so he can likely be had without breaking the bank

you didnt need to go through all of that to make your point. lots here would tell you that straight away lol

I am just telling you what I saw in the scouting report. it does remind me a lot of Dak prescotts scouting report when he turned pro. he was not a first round pick. All I am doing is telling you what I see in the report. to that end, what I see in his scouting report reminds me a lot of what I read in Daks when he turned pro. Thats all I am saying. it feels like hes a QB that need a line in front of him but he does scramble and that mitigates (but does not eliminate) this need somewhat. maybe he didnt have a good line in front of him when he played and this likely is part of the reason hes given a bit of a pass on the scouting report. I dont think hes the top QB in this draft, but I do think he is draftable and in the right situation, can be a player. but his ability to perform may be situational. (translation late first or 2nd round pick)

well, this isnt entirely abnormal. and most of those teams had franchise QB who could get them there. I'm guessing if you look at the teams with no appearances, most of them havent a QB who can consistently play or they have a carousel of QB who may have been highly drafted, but who couldnt get it done at the pro level. I guess my question to you is what is your point that you are trying to make?

hes a QB that needs a good line in front of him to perform. his scouting report doesnt read all that different from that of Dak Prescott. he makes bad decisions when the pass rush is in his face (paraphrased) he makes plays with his legs when there is nothing there just like Dak (but hes not as good a runner as dak is) like Dak, hes a situational QB who can perform if the line in front of him is good. Dak just got lucky in that he was drafted by the team with the leagues best O line which covered up a lot of his weaknesses. if drafted into a similar situation he might be ok. but the line in front of him NEEDS to be good. Otherwise the kid likely doesnt perform. are there any teams out there with a top O line in need of a QB?

I cannot say for sure I'm 100% right but its still an educated guess with a couple cases that appear to fit the theory. you never truly know unless you are in the room. but I have found the best coaches will tweak or even change the system they run to take advantage of the skillsets of their players. the worst coaches will try to make a square peg fit into a round hole and make the player adapt to the system. sometimes the player can do it. Sometimes not. but typically in that scenario the GM NEEDS to draft players who fit the system to a T, otherwise you are churning through players at a pace thats not sustainable. This is largely the difference between college coaches and pro level coaches. in college, you can easily recruit players that fit your system far easier than it is to draft them at the pro level where other teams running a similar system may draft those players ahead of you.

I actually see some similar comments compared to Dak Prescott's scouting report when he came out of school. I seem to recall the scouting report on Dak was hes not that good when the pass rush is in his face. but then he landed in Dallas (who had what may have been the best O line in the NFL at that time) and proceeded to win the starting job once Romo got hurt. I think Dak is a better runner than him but both of them could be a similar style of QB at the NFL level. The QB run will be used when the pass play breaks down but wont be a regular play call by the offense. I do think in a similar environment behind a good O line this kid can be good. Might need a red shirt year to get to that point (especially if the O line is not doing a great job in pass protection)

the issue I think they have had in the past, is they would bring in players from a different scheme (ie. patriots) that dont necessarily fit the Giants blocking scheme. so its possible that the issue could be scheme/fit related moreso than talent related. granted the player needs to take some of the responsibility, but so does the coaching staff. part of your job as a coach is putting your player in the best position to be successful. if the players dont fully fit the scheme, thats partly a gm problem but also the coach also needs to coach them up and/or tweak the scheme to take advantage of the individual player strengths while minimizing their weaknesses.

hey I went to click on the video tape examples that are broken out and it says video unavailable. not sure what that is about but thought you should be aware.

well, Nabers looks like hes already fine. yeah, player development is certainly part GM and part coach but the GM needs to take some responsibility. I'd say at this point they have struggled to get their young O linemen to play consistently well enough. this has contributed to other issues elsewhere in the offense.

fair enough. the sample size of games I saw was small, and the line was not good in those games. I just assumed the line was still bad. Though in a cap world you still need to replace those 10 M players at some point. as signed free agents, Those guys are (I am guessing) a 2-3 year solution and because of their age, durability and good health wont be as good so depth is more important with guys like that starting. so drafting their eventual replacement should be a priority (just not an immediate one). but maybe you dont need to spend a first/second round pick. you can likely spend a 3rd or 4th rounder and develop them over a year or two while adding some depth to the mix. and yeah I can see the DT being a priority. The D was not that scary

well, if building a team this is what I like to see. you cant have your young QB operating without a good line. Ideally a great line. thing is, you can get by with a lower talent RB if your line is good. so many good things can happen in the offense when the line plays well and does what it needs to do. I'd argue its the most important area to win the battle on the field. If you control the LOS, you control the game (for the most part)

well, I wouldnt argue with that If I was a pats fan (which I am not) I assume the signing of Diggs was to give a weapon to Maye, and to allow them to address other needs in the draft. OT likely being one of those needs. if this is the path they are taking.... I dont mind it.

I still think the O line is by far the most urgent need for this team it is my belief that you need AT LEAST a passable O line for the offense to perform at anywhere close to a good level. look where Sequons production went when he left New York and went to Philly. Thats what a good O line gives you. I dont know how realistic this is.....but if they can trade back 2 or 3 spots and get another high pick (maybe a 2nd) they could maybe target Jeanty and then use both of their seconds to draft interior O linemen (presumably guards) and provided those picks turn out, this team would likely be able to manage in that scenario. Might take up to a year to get those guards up to speed at the NFL level, but the team will be reasonably well equipped going forward.

yeah, i think hes an automatic 1000 yard QB for any reasonable starter in the nfl. But throw a backup QB (cough cough Devito) in there at QB there are no assurances that hes a 1000 yard WR in that situation. He can only do so much if the QB cannot get him the ball.

to properly develop a young QB you need at least have one good WR (preferably two) and a solid line to play behind. you can get by with only one good WR if you have a reasonable ground game. this time last year they had neither. They had just let go of Sequon, they had a line that (other than LT) was poor. and they had no real good WR. drafting a QB likely would have ended up the same way as the danny dimes fiasco. Poor line, and below average WR for his whole tenure as a QB. At least now if they draft a QB at least they will have somebody to throw the ball to. still I think the right move is to wait one more year and fill the holes on the O line. but at least if they draft someone today that person will have a true #1 WR to throw the ball to. they might be able to get away with drafting a guard in round 2. Probably get one of the top 2 or 3 on the board at that point in the draft. Line will still be subpar but not as bad as last year.

you still need to field a team so people go to the games. If they want to get the best QB in the next draft I suspect that trading back in the draft is more likely to be the play here. if they can get a first round pick next year as part of the package, then they will have multiple firsts and have an option to move up if they need to.

he was real good when he arrived. made a big impact as a rookie running a ball control offense. pass yards + rush yards were consistently in the 4000+ range and he was fast. you couldnt catch him back there. He was also not a first round pick. so no 5th year option. so he got paid earlier than all the other QB in his draft class. I know he doesnt look like much now, but hes gained weight and gotten older. hes not fast like he was. so the player he is now is not the same as the player that came into the NFL and set the world on fire as a rookie.

you could be right. but in almost every possible scenario, the right move for the team is to start Wilson. I cant see the team straying from that unless Winston shows all the potential that made him a 5000 yard passer that one year but without the interceptions. certainly its possible. You cannot rule it out. Some QB are late bloomers and despite his shortcomings, 5000 yard passers do not grow on trees. I imagine there are no shortage of coaches who look at that season and think..... If I can coach him up and get him to toss less than 12 interceptions over the course of a year and keep most of that upside, Id really have something here. it is also possible he will wake up one day and find that the game has slowed down for him a bit and the INT just wont happen anymore. I dont wanna guess at the odds of that happening. I havent a clue. but every coach in the nfl would love to see it happen while hes on their team.