Ray_T

I am less worried about that than I am the injuries. at the NFL level the linemen are bigger, stronger, faster, and meaner. whoever drafts him better have a good line cuz I think hes a bit fragile

I figured if they drafted an OL that round 2 would be a WR and round 3 a RB but I could be wrong on that

this is what a handful of the scouting reports have said (to paraphrase) if he didnt have so many injuries already as a young man hed be going higher in the draft. the general thought is whoever takes him may be able to expect a reasonably short career but there is a chance he may be a day 1 starter

well, we will see if the pro scouting agrees with your opinion soon enough.

I could see the chargers trading down, but I think it also depends who is available when they are on the clock

you might be right. but if they do pick, I suspect thats who they take

where they are drafting from he might be the best option by the time they are on the clock. personally I think he will be gone by then

fftoday profile has him at 210 lbs I think. you sure you got the right guy? if the fftoday numbers are correct hes pretty huge. 6'4 and 210 lbs. big enough to take a lot of punishment

with their skillset they are actually likely more valuable as a pocket passer behind a good line. just my opinion of course

I had my questions about Watson, but hes also been injured for a good part of the year. Sometimes injuries can prevent a player from finding his groove (so to speak) so I wouldnt go writing him off just yet. but I do think Wicks has earned more reps. to what extent I cannot be sure, but he didnt get any significant work until the midpoint of the season and he finished with 581 yards as a rookie. pro rate those last 9 games hes close to 700 yards if you double that total to pro rate over 18 games. while thats not massive, its pretty good for a rookie. and most WR do better in year 2. I'd project him for around 800 yards and 6 or 7 TD. And this is probably a conservative estimate with a low floor and high ceiling due to the small sample size.

hes on a rookie contract. As such there is no huge incentive for the team to trade him. if Green Bay doesnt think he starts, they may look around for a trading partner to try to get an asset in return for him. But this is generally a bad move for the GM's job security. if they trade him or dump him, and he goes on to light it up for another team, that could put the GMs job in jeopardy. it is more likely they keep him on the roster for at least one more year. (unless someone pays a decent price for him) the way I figure, the contract is affordable and if a team doesnt give something decent, they are more likely to bury him on the roster. at his salary, there is no urgency to get rid of him.

why do you say this?

yeah people conveniently forget this fact. last year he was catching balls from someone who doesnt seem to be able to throw the ball. that's not his fault.

Tyreek Hill

yeah you could argue any team in the draft (other than Chicago at 1) could move up or down with their first round pick. Just brilliant deductive reasoning. but I guess if someone demands news, this gets him a few clicks. but its a nothingburger mostly

honestly the superbowls tell the tale. this is the goal of every team when they draft/sign any player on the roster. so if the team wins and that player made a significant contribution he was the right player to sign/draft. I dont see how any starting QB's contribution would ever be insignificant as they touch the ball on every offensive play so to that end, with 2 superbowl wins I'd say he was the right choice. if you consider him the wrong choice, I'd take that wrong choice to get 2 superbowl wins 100% of the time.

yeah, I gotta agree. if the QB takes you to a superbowl win, it was the right move to make.

Well, I draft players based on a number of things. production on the field is only one of them When ranking a number of players that are at roughly the same level (or we will say the same tier) the guy at the bottom of that tier for me is usually the guy least likely to stay healthy based on that players historical health. If that player falls in the draft, I consider taking that player but I do not pick him ahead of guys in the same tier who have a good history of staying healthy. while injuries are impossible to avoid completely, by doing this I minimize the odds of having my season de railed by injury. injury analysis is a big part of what I do when prepping for my draft and honestly most of the times I've had injury problems has been when I have ignored that analysis and took the player anyways. I also bump up players on my list who are playing for a contract. and I do probably a better job than most in looking at high upside 2nd and 3rd year players. Naturally I could always do better but I have found that taking risks later in the draft seems to yield more than taking risks early in the draft. and for me, doing well at the draft table is mostly about risk management. its also about picking good players, but anyone can take a list of the 100 best players and draft fromt the list and be jsomewhere between slightly below average to slightly above average. for me this other stuff I spoke about above (if you do a decent job of it) should elevate you just a little bit to put you in contention. its not a guarantee of a win but it gives you a small advantage. think about it. if you have 1 injury to a starter over the course of the year and most people have 2. thats likely a 3 to 10 point advantage you have over most everyone else (depending on position) it should be a significant part of your strategy.

given the body of work I wouldnt rank him that high but i feel he has significant potential that he has yet to fully unlock. Hes definitely a potential starting WR and one you might be able to snag with a third round pick.

yeah, those kind of injuries usually mess you up. you may come back in a few games but usually you are not fully able to perform until the next season. not sure where hes projected to go, but he could certainly be one of those WR picked later who becomes a solid player. I think a better QB and pro level coaching could work wonders for him.

yeah, you had the absolute worst luck with him. once again.... most of the time if your team does not stay healthy, it does not matter how good they are. if your players dont play, you dont win. that's the bottom line.

I think he may be able to play wide too. I'm not certain of it. but I think its possible. as for the ratings, Most I think are fair. But I'd rate him higher on ball tracking than you do. On the first case, (at 7:23 on your tape) it looks like he tracked the ball well enough to get both hands on the ball. I dont know what more you can ask in terms of tracking. the issue was that the throw was a bit ahead of him and he had to reach to make the catch. I see you also had this categorized as a hands issue and I'd agree with that. on the second case (at 11:22 on your tape) you highligted as poor ball tracking, the ball was clearly overthrown. He dove for the ball and fully stretched out his body and could only get fingertips on the ball. but he fully knew where the ball was. he just didnt have the wheels to catch up to the pass. This combined with some of the other good cases where the ball was in some cases way off target and he adjusted to the ball to make the catch, I was quite impressed with. but I am a bit concerned a bit about his hands. this may or may not be coachable. it looks like (for the most part) when he has to really reach for the ball his hands just are not as good. but keeping in mind that QB's at the NFL level will be far more accurate than what we've seen on the tape, I think he should be ok. He just probably is a #2 receiver (or a highly productive #3) and not a #1 WR. Though I think there is that upside but I dont think its highly likely that he achieves that at the NFL level.

haha I'm with you there. I love players who are playing for a contract. its almost always a good bet.

Thats actually a bit less than I thought he'd get. but at a 4 year term, he likely gets one more big payday. so maybe that's just as good for the player.

ok I just took a look at the ball tracking tape posted online here. other than the one case that was listed as an example where he didnt track the ball, that ball was off by an awful lot. its questionable if the ball was catchable. it is possible that the WR didnt read it the same as the QB and was in the wrong location. but if that's the case, that's not a ball tracking issue that's someone making the wrong read. the other examples of ball tracking looked pretty solid. in the end I think this kid will be a decent pro WR. Granted given his size teams WILL try to jam him at the line, so given his size that is a risk factor for him. a successful Jam at the LOS likely makes him easy to control. Thats where most of the risk is with this kid.