Ray_T

maybe so, but teams dont do that sort of thing with their starting QB when the they are winning. It only happens when they are losing. its really a performance thing no matter how you slice and dice it. They realized they were not gonna win any superbowls with him there, and paved the way for a Russell Wilson Exit. either way, hes pro calibre. the guy hes replacing was not. so yeah I think the WR perform better. but Wilson is no spring chicken. I'm not predicting big things. just a moderate improvement.

I dont know about financial reasons. I think it was the slow start to the season that did him in (and the previous years shitshow that was terrible for everyone) he performed adequately for fantasy. that said, it could be a system thing for Wilson. if the system is right, he can play. hard to say for sure. but I still think he an improvement on what they had last year. so thats good news for the WR in that offense

well, they both are a good bet for 1000 yards if healthy. I guess the smart money goes to whoever drops furthers in the draft. at this point that is looking like Kupp but that can change in a hurry. its early days of the preseason.

yeah, and his body of work does not compare to that of Burrow. its an overpay. but then again, Jaxonville has been overpaying people all along in free agency. might as well overpay the QB too

where is 2 live crew when you need 'em

he usually drafts a pretty good team from what I've seen in past mocks.

honestly with the guys build, and skillset hes best cast as a very good #2 WR at this point in his career. usually your #1 is a physical WR with a nice catch radius who is a coverage nightmare. Puka is smallish and super fast. if he figures out how to consistently beat the jam he could be a #1. I just dont think hes there yet. sometimes the smallish WR take an extra year or two to figure that part of the game out. I do think he gets there eventually. I just dont think its this year. I still think hes a very good #2 No shame in it. I'm just not drafting him in my top 15.

exactly my point. once again..... still dont know if he will get healthy. but if he does, he could be a draft winner if you get him on the cheap

injuries will wreck anyones season. I think fully healthy he has a shot. what I dont know is if hes fully healthy.

I love your nabers pick. That kind of upside that late in the draft. awesome. even if you dont believe in danny dimes

nice job guys. I see puka is listed ahead of the depth chart of Kupp. though at the age of 30, Kupp could still be the lead dog here. based on that I'm a bit surprised Puka went this early but I guess if you believe in someone you believe in them. unless there is news suggesting Kupp wont be the guy. I'm not aware of any but admittedly havent been paying THAT much attention during the offseason either way, it will be interesting to see how this one plays out.

I'd agree. hes good, but not THAT good. there are likely no more than 5 or 6 WR's that fit into that category

no he was right. I got my threads mixed up. chatting on too many at once and busy at work and didnt take the time to make sure I wasnt embarrassing myself. Jrokh was correct. I goofed. and unlike some people I can admit when I goof. dont hold it against me haha

apparently dude is getting open on almost every route run so far in camp. granted I dont think hes going up against starters very often yet, but the early returns look good on this kid.

and if I'm not mistaken you're a giants fan are you not? if this is coming from a Giants Homer, I am not inclined to disagree.

yeah, but if he wants a new contract at top dollar he knows he needs to perform. thats still the bottom line. but yeah, they may sign him. all I'm saying is my preference is to draft someone playing for a contract. usually the results are good.

what is his ADP?

I'm not saying you do. what I'm saying is if you do your research (as you likely do) you can get away with picking a QB late. but lots of people dont do their own research. what about them? if you dont know who the good late round candidates are, the smarter move is to draft one earlier to make sure you fit into that category (top 12 QB) that was all I was saying. Not saying you are wrong. just saying that strategy wont work for everyone.

yeah. or he saw what a talent henry was and saw the team had a great O line and just went with what worked. tough to say which came first. the chicken or the egg haha Belichek was not known as a coach who loved the pass game. he was run and defend type coach until he got Brady. then he realized the best path with a talent like him on the roster was to throw the ball. so its not necessarily a given that hes gonna run the same offense he did in Tennessee. he might. but I'll be honest. if I had a top O line and a back like Henry I wouldnt be so concerned about running a high octane pass game. You use the assets you have and make them work to your advantage.

second pick? probably not. but Kyler Murray is a good QB (or he was before the injury) and I suspect he will be good again. but there are enough risk factors with Murray and the fact hes a rookie where I dont know that I'd be comfortable with him as a 2nd round pick for me. I think the talent is there and its certainly possible he could deliver value for the pick if things fall right. but if Murray has another injury and sits more than 3 or 4 games, the kid will be a bad pick at that point in the draft. I can guarantee that. and thats not even taking the rookie factor into account. its a legitimate concern.

dude, Im not talking about future drafts. in the July Mock thread on here I put up a post mortem analysis. basically outlining who won and what the common themes were among those teams who finished top 5 (might have been top 6) to make it easier I am posting the link here one of those themes was that every member of the top 6 of that Mock had a top QB. feel free to go read the article. its a good read. I think there may even be a link to the scoring page of the draft as well. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have regarding it. keep in mind it is only one draft so maybe the draft bucked the general trend but all the mockers finishing in the top 6 had a top 12 qB on their roster (in many cased they had 2) I think its significant. surprised me as I went RB early in the draft but did draft Herbert early (ish) but not in round 1 so the bottom line is, I think you need a top 12 QB to have a good shot at winning. (preferably top 6) and if you dont hit on one, the odds dont seem to be great.

fantasy points of course. what else would I base it on?

I like buying players who are trying to get that big contract. I am less keen on getting players who already have the big contract. there are exceptions of course. not sure if that would apply here.

agreed. if hes still pulling this off come late pre season THEN its worth getting excited about. the important thing is he doesnt look crappy at this point

you may be right. but to be fair, I dont know that Jones has ever had a WR anywhere close to his talent. Id like to see how this plays out.