Ray_T

that was kinda my thought process as well. but hey, we all dont have to agree. if we all ranked everyone the same, the draft would be a boring affair. I actually find it annoying when someone takes the guy I wanted just before I pick, so if in my league I prefer that your rankings differ from mine haha

well, he hasnt been a flash in the pan. hes produced pretty steady since he was drafted. I dont think a big contract will change that. the only negative factor is hes got an aging Dak Prescott who admittedly has at least 3 or 4 good years left (assuming good health) and possibly 5 or 6 years. so the last year or two of the contract may not pay off but I think they will be fine.

or just a RB who can come close to his projected performance who isnt 30 years old (or older)

not saying hes a bad choice there. I just dont like that much risk in a first round pick. (personal preference) if he performs, you'll probably do better than you estimated, but if he doesnt perform, your fantasy season goes poof. so If I can get reasonably similar value at the draft table without inheriting the risks associated with a 30 year old RB, then I'd probably take that out.

well, we dont know that for sure. I guess it depends on where they were in the talks inflation rate has moved up and the cap has too..... so I was sure that the market was gonna move for WR and QB for sure. we just didnt know by how much it would move. its also possible that CeeDee wasnt gonna sign until they saw where the market was anyhow.

well, he had a way of stirring up conversation. and honestly I like looking at different opinions on a topic. I dont necessarily always agree on his methods as they sometimes would get people upset, but at the same time I dont think he was doing this to be mean. its just who he was. either way, it was nice to get an opinion from him once in a while.

ok good enough. I honestly didnt know if it was him or not (which is why I asked) but hopefully hes in a better place. RIP

well, at 30 its dicey. moreso than many would like to admit. I'd buy but I wouldnt pay a RB1 price for him (due to age) I know that likely means I wont get him but I've been burned on RB's at this age before. I think his odds of a good(RB1 level) season are far closer to 50-50 and for me, thats not a first round pick based on the way I assess risk.

are we sure this is the same guy? do one of you actually know who his real name is?

I think in light of the mans poor health, this comment is in bad taste (even if its true and funny to some)

what I find to be funny is that people need to be told this.... people should already know it but clearly it is a problem. If it wasnt, there would be no need for this.

I couldnt agree more. thats the equivalent of putting you in jail if your kid goes out and commits a crime. in the end, we as people have to take responsibility for our own actions. its called being an adult. I know lots of pro sports people dont like doing it but it needs to be done. Your money actually can bail you out of a lot of problems but it cannot fix everything. This is the lesson here.

agreed. but he is not a breakout candidate anymore. he has already broken out.

to be clear, a breakout candidate isnt someone who got 1000 yards or more last year. for me a breakout candidate is someone who got 500-750 yards (or less) last year and bursts on to get 1000 yards or more the following year. so we are looking at at least a 30% increase in production year over year. if a young guy gets 850-900 yards a boost to 1000 yards isnt really a breakout. its likely an expected progression. if that playre gets 1200 yards then I'd say fine, thats a breakout.

Ex-NFL star Antonio Brown files for bankruptcy after more than $80 million in career earnings (yahoo.com) 80 M in career earnings. now broke. sad

I kinda figured the timeline was close to the same. I got the impression an achilles injury affects a RB different than it does a QB. though I wasnt 100% sure that the timeline for a QB is substantially different. with a RB you need to run with a burst and make cuts while a QB rarely has to do that. but there is still the throwing motion to consider and depending on which leg had the injury it may or may not affect his throwing motion to a great degree. I fully acknowledge the injury will affect Cousins ability to scramble, but he was never much of a running QB to begin with. he plays out of the pocket and the Line he has on his new team is far better than the line he played behind last year, so I dont think he will have a ton of pressure to scramble either. unfortunately I dont know enough about the injury to say more. Usually I'm pretty diligent about doing research on these things, but its still early and I have not done any digging yet.

here is a news article regarding cousins recovery. didnt say much other than he is throwing footballs. Kirk Cousins Reveals Where He's At With Injury Rehab (msn.com)

lots of first round QB's start at #3 on the depth chart. quite often coach wants them to earn their spot on the roster. at this point in the pre season, this is a nothingburger. if hes still #3 on the depth chart once they get beyond game 1 of the pre season then I'd be concerned he wont play this year. either way, its too early to panic. Personally I dont care either way. I did like his scouting report and watched the tape posted by doug earlier. he looked like he had some potential but may not be a day one starter. so as far as I'm concerned hes not really that far behind where I thought he'd be at this point.

its because of Rodgers risk of injury and his age. if they have to go with a backup, his numbers drop. given the risks, I think hes about where he should be (give or take)

ok thats the sort of thing that keeps a QB on the bench. but it is early in pre season. Lets see if this is still the case later in the pre season. sometimes that adjustment to the pro game can be rough. if hes still doing this when they start the pre season games, then I think he will sit as a rookie until late in the season.

what is his ADP looking like?

sometimes they are, sometimes they are not. Sometimes when someone says this they are not sure what they want for the guy and they dont want to ask too little and rip themselves off. so if you offer something they want, they may consider it. so there is opportunity. but sometimes when they say send an offer they have no plan to trade the guy, they just wanna know what they could get for him. that can be frustrating. but thats the nature of making a deal sometimes.

there are a couple signs I look for when looking purely at stats. rookies are noted for their inconsistent play, but if the talent is there, they will still occasionally produce. Nico, being a 3rd round pick is a guy who you think may develop into a player, but you are not sure about him. so when I looked I noted as a rookie he had a couple of decent games with a good average yards per catch. one game with double digit targets (week 14). while the catch rate wasnt high, he also didnt have great QB play (david Mills/tyrod Taylor) but week 14 and 18 he had 10 and 8 targets respectively meaning hes either open or (at the very least) hes where hes supposed to be at the time the read was made. and he was rewarded with some reasonable stats. but not enough to project a breakout in 2022 so we go into 2022's game log..... once again with Mills at QB its tough to expect much. he showed some signs early. in week 2 targeted 9 times but got 4 catches for 58 yards. had a couple middling games up to week 5 where he was averaging about 50-60 yards per game. not bad on limited targets it doesnt look like much but 60 yards a game works out to 1000 yards over 17 games played so this is decent production with backup calibre QB. then he got hurt. while his production was mediocre upon his return, 49, 48, 44 yard games and a 35 yard game, but look at the high # of targets. even with subpar QB play, you dont get that number of targets at the NFL level unless you are doing something right. dude is getting open enough to warrant that many targets, its usually only a matter of time until the production follows. I only watched a couple of his games, but there were a few times he was targeted and the ball was nowhere close to being where it needed to be. if it had I'm pretty sure his stats would have been more in line with where you want it to be (at least in the games I watched) even so, with a smallish sample size I was reasonably certain with a better QB (and better health) there is a chance he may have broken out in year 2. but its hard to say for sure. year 3. I will admit I was a big believer in the new guy at QB (Stroud) I was sure the QB play would be better than wed seen the last 2 years. I anticipated this kid was ripe for a breakout. if you refer to the July Mock on fftoday, I took this kid in round 13 and was happy to get him. So I'm not just making stuff up. I really liked the kid. and truly felt with good QB play hed be better. as it turns out he wasnt just better, he was a whole lot better. Even better than I thought he'd be. so the signs were there. Maybe I got a little lucky in that I noticed the things I did when watching the small sample size of games, but I felt he passed the eye test to me (which sealed it) I took him in every draft/auction I could last year and was well rewarded.

nope. I saw him in some games. he was getting open. he flashed plenty. bad QB made his stats less than they should have been.

well, it is a situation where you can find value if the WR slides far enough. you certainly dont want to overpay for any Charger WR, but at least one will put up draftable numbers. Possibly 2. but there is a whole lot more risk to them. for me, Chargers WR are players to target late in the draft if they are still on the board.