Ray_T

either way, my hope is that this situation clears up a bit more come training camp. right now its a very interesting situation to speculate on

well, sometimes this is a function of the coach and O/C too. coach lost his job. but when a team drafts a player at the college level, they are rarely a finished product. the rookie camp is designed to get the kid up to speed and teach the nuances of the pro game before training camp arrives. if a player doesnt do well as a rookie, sometimes its the player, but sometimes its the coach. case in point: Goff. rookie year he was terrible. (I would argue beyond terrible) McVay arrives and his production explodes. to me that tells me the problem was more with the coaching and less with the player (in that case at least)

no they dont always get the rankings right. and sometimes certain skills of a player are invisible because his coach decided not to use him in certain ways. sometimes thats because the coach had a specialist who took that role or sometimes its because the offense wasnt designed for a player with his skillset. Leveon Bell was a good case in point. nobody imagined that he had the kind of receiving skills that he did on the day he was drafted because his coach never used him extensively as a pass catching back. he caught passes in college but they came nowhere close to maximizing his skillset. This was viewed as a potential skill that could be developed for him. as it turned out the skill was more developed than anyone anticipated.

fair comments all. and yeah it is tough to expect a rookie to lead the team in receiving. if he gets 800 yards and 5-6 TD as a rookie I'd say its a very successful rookie campain, but its not WR1 production. its likely palmer as the leading WR though there is an outside chance Chark steps up. but Palmer has to be the highest odds to thrive. Quentin Johnson is still a dark horse. going into his second year, it feels like we still dont know who he is as a pro yet.

possible. Lions are really good, Bears will be better than last year, Pack are a solid, young team on the rise. as a whole, this could potentially be the best division in nfl

its early. A lot of rookies struggle early in camp from time to time.

I know. I was just having a laugh at your expense. all good.

not entirely wrong and in some situations (this being one of them) its quite possibly right. I'm sure hes shuffled off some of his wealth and it is in the hands of some of his family members. also likely true. There is a certain portion of the bankruptcy amount that he will still need to pay off to make restitution to his creditors and there are certain types of debts that are likely exempt from the bankruptcy proceedings (ie. if you owe the govt, in most countries you still owe that money after a bankruptcy though this may be different in the US but I'd be surprised if it was) so hes not totally off the hook but there is no doubt hes screwed over some people by going down this road.

if he was a first round pick, or an early 2nd round pick I'd fully agree with you. but he was taken 83rd overall and some scouting reports have him as a top notch backup who can develop into a starter eventually. I dont think the team will have the pressure to play someone drafted at that point in the draft. Not right away anyhow. but I do think Williams needs to keep his production up to stop the kid from digging into his workload. the biggest issue is hes a smallish back like Kyren Williams is. based on performance at the combine I'm guessing the skillset is similar. so for me, hes likely a true backup. if he stepped in to play for Kyren Williams on a run play, the offense likely doesnt need to change much (if at all). on a pass play hes not great on pass pro (yet) and he could use some polish on his route running. so hes not gonna displace Kyren Williams on passing downs. They may use him on short yardage due to his propensity to break tackles. but that is just speculation on my part. bottom line is... the kid needs some work before hes ready to really dig into Willams usage. he also had some durability issues that may not translate well to the NFL. so there are enough question marks that I'd still draft Kyren williams where I said I'd draft him. but I do agree there is more risk here than what most people are acknowledging. Its just my belief that the kid will take at least a half season before hes ready to start taking significant reps at the pro level. (maybe a full season). problem is... with this kind of player its hard to say just how quickly he will progress, but I assure you there is no hurry as long as Kyren Williams is healthy.

you know, you can both like team nine. the fantasy football police wont throw you in the brig if it happens haha

good post. agree with nearly all of this. I'm not certain about jameson williams. hes boom or bust for me. If hes gonna break out I think it likely needs to happen this year. I loved his talent at the time he was drafted, but due to his size, I was concerned about how he'd deal with the Jam at the line. to some extent I'm still concerned about it. I have not seen enough of him to say I'm satisfied with this. and if he doesnt make it, this is likely the reason why (this or him doing something else stupid to keep himself off the field) but provided hes fully recovered from his ACL surgery, I dont have a whole lot of other concerns. so even with the concerns noted above, I dont mind picking him up late in the draft if hes still on the board.

To clarify further, I look at whether the WR shows signs, and then I look to see if anything in the offense has changed. in Collins case I knew he had a better QB than he had the year prior. that combined with him showing at least moderate improvement from year 1 to year 2. (same production in fewer games played) certainly helped. he was also starting to pass the eye test. it never showed in the stats partly because of poor QB play. this is one of those where it helps if you actually watch the game. tough to blame a WR when he gets wide open and the QB cant hit him with a throw.

I think the chance of a WR having an early breakout go down substantially when they have a crappy QB. so if you ask if Stroud had something to do with his breakout, I'd say for sure he did. but Nico was showing signs of a breakout late the season before and I already had him marked on my late round draft list. Picked him up in my auction for 2 dollars. Best bargain of the draft.

lots of people are buying based on what he did last year. and fair enough. early in the year I expect this may continue, but as the year goes on the kid will get more playing time. If Williams gets hurt, it could be a game changer. if he stays healthy and plays well, the team will ride the hot hand (and why wouldnt they) I personally wouldnt spend a first rounder on him, but I would spend a mid to late second rounder

agreed. everyone does not share the same risk. some players have more risk for sure.

he still gets an NFL pension. not sure how big that it, but it should be substantial enough that he wont starve. as for the bankruptcy, I dont know that its a case where the poor cant afford bankruptcy. its more a case of there is no point to going bankrupt. The main reason to declare bankruptcy is to protect the equity in your home. if you rent or dont own a home, there is no real reason to declare bankruptcy other than to keep the credit collectors from calling you.

maybe. but they will run williams until there is nothing left in the tank. hes not a big guy, so durability could be an issue for him moving forward. once he gets hurt, then Corum will get a chance to show what he can do. for now its Willams job but the situation is worth watching.

yep. sad state of affairs.

https://fftoday.com/news/index.php?Item=15563 Gutsy move. potentially leaving a lot of cash on the table. but then again, I'm not sure I'd want to play for the Saints right now. They already have cap issues. adding a player with a 40 M cap hit likely means purging the remaining talent on your roster. I guess he just does not wanna play for a losing team. or hes just that pissed at the way he was treated by the Raiders. either way..... ouch.

he will help in the sense that WR's on the team know how good they need to be to get playing time. hes just good enough to be on the field but not good enough to draft for fantasy. Hes a third WR on most NFL teams. 4th WR on some

there will always be one or two highly risk averse people out there but as a percentage the # of people who care about this will be low. Personally I dont even know that I'd re rank him at this point. biggest threat is hes not fully in game shape when he returns. and that sort of thing fixes itself in a week or two

so does this mean the dude can be suspended by the NFL then? or has the NFL done away with suspensions for smoking weed as its legal in half the country?

there is always concern when a player misses camp but I dont think the team is changing the offense all that much and he knows the playbook. the only way I'd be real concerned is if he comes back and doesnt look great leading into the regular season. at that point I'd be concerned the missed practices may lead to a slow start. but its way too early to predict something like that. its just something to watch for as the start of the season gets close.

this is another one of those ones where I'd say hes a better Actual QB than he is a Fantasy QB. sure he had the one season where he had huge numbers, but in general, thats not who he is. he wants the W more than he wants the Stats and his game will reflect that.

honestly, this is probably where he should have been going all along. if he slides to mid 2nd or late 2nd it wouldnt surprise me a whole lot given the injury but I would not expect him to slide into round 3 very often. dude is too good and a lot of people will be willing to draft him late round 2 even knowing he misses one or two games to start the season. (which is currently not projected to happen btw)