Ray_T

I actually thought he was ranked #3. though the last time I looked at this stat was about 2 or 3 years ago. its possible an active QB passed him on this stat since. but I remember when seeing this stat, my thought was there is more to this guy than stats. To this day this is one of the reasons I defend him as a player. This stat alone is a tough one to go against. I'd rather have this stat than the gaudy huge yardage stats some QB's put up without getting wins.

Jets’ Aaron Rodgers gets significant injury update at OTAs (msn.com) as this article was released in the last 24 hours and it pertains to a player some of you may be considering in your draft, I thought I'd post the link. Looks like hes doing fine.

have not done a big analysis, but I do like team 4, 6 and 12 (even though team 12 has no QB yet)

this injury should throw a bit of water on that fire. at least until he is healthy again. Granted hes expected back before the season starts, so I dont know that it will affect his value a lot.

option C. I didnt know he was still playing.

well, someone in this offense needs to produce. between McConkey, Chark and Palmer, one of them likely has a 1000 yard season. possibly even two of them. but its a roll of the dice. good news is none of them are going in the first 5 rounds of your draft so the Risk once you get late in the draft isnt all that high. This is one of those where if you draft on the end (ie. #12) and if you run reasonably late I'm betting you can get two of these guys to be your #4 and #5 WR knowing one is likely a performer and one likely a dud.

Thats your opinion I guess. most of Carrs Career he had no legit #1 WR and had a bad team around him. I assure you that doesnt help the stats. with the exception of his last year with the raiders, the only guy he had to throw to for most of those years that any of you have heard of was Waller. yes, he was an average performer, but of all the average performers, hes the guy who had the least to work with in terms of talent. I guess the question is whether he can up his game with better talent on the field. We shall see. obviously one of us will be right and one of us will be wrong. hehe we can resume this discussion once our sample size in terms of games played in New Orleans is a bit larger.

this is silly. I dont think I need to dignify this with a response. I dont know how many times commentators on TV mention how many wins and losses a QB has in various situations (and overall) a stat is anything that is quantifiable that people keep track of. wins and losses are a stat. and I'm not gonna participate in this argument further as Its such a stupid argument I feel my IQ lowering just by having associated myself with this debate (if you can call it such)

ok I'm talking 10 to 12 team leagues. Most people dont play 14 teamers. even so, hes on the cusp. probably a 2nd round pick today but his ADP may rise. it probably will if he has a good camp. for me it would depend on who is available. at that point in the draft there are often at least one or two players who I felt should have gone earlier who are still on the board. so depending on your draft format you may or may not take Henry at that point. personally I cant ignore the age thing. I did it once with LT back in the day and regretted it a bit. and I was quite sure he had one more year left in him. turns out I was right as he had a resurgence in his age 31 season. but thats another story. bottom line, the risk of the pick going down the toilet is higher than youd like when you are dealing with a 30 year old RB. I'd take him with a 2nd round pick. but I wouldnt do a first. dont get me wrong, I dont blame you for taking him late in round 1. I just wouldnt do it myself. and I love Henry as a player. Nothing used to make me happier than watching one of his patented goal line runs where hed stiff arm someone and then carry 2 or 3 guys trying to tackle him across the goalline with the ball and score a TD. but when the wheels fall off a RB at this age it tends to happen quickly. while I agree he probably has one more year in him. I'm not willing to gamble a first rounder on that.

it is. 2 superbowl MVP awards and 2 rings makes up for a whole lot of average to above average production. why? because the whole reason teams churn through QB's (sometimes even decent QB's) is because they want one that they think can win them a superbowl. so the fact that Eli won one twice and was MVP both times? you can put up with all the rest. you take those 2 championships and be happy you have them.

even if he plays, hes dicey. lots of times when players have off field issues it affects their on field production. Unless I get him for cheap I'm not buying. someone else can have him.

it might last. There is an awful lot of bias against RB's once they get close to the age of 30. Granted that bias exists for good reason. and the wheels have been known to fall off anywhere between the age of 29 and 31 with 30 being the most usual place where it happens. for that reason, I dont take him in the first round. but if he falls to me in round 2 I'd probably take him.

Technically it is a stat. and given the QB handles the ball on every play where you have the ball (other than maybe kicks) I think Wins and Losses are definitely something you need to look at when evaluating a QB playoff wins and superbowls are also a stat. arguably THE most important stat for a QB

yeah he played in a pretty dysfunctional organization in Oakland. the stats for any player on a bad team are never what they are on a good team

There is a difference between a good QB and a good Fantasy QB. the two are not mutually exclusive. some of your best fantasy QB's are actually not great QB's for their team. I can fully respect a QB who will sacrafice a little in terms of his stats in order to get the win. I may not want that guy on my fantasy roster, but I'd totally want him leading my team.

certainly possible. honestly the bigger risk is injury (as it often is with backs this age) I do think if he stays healthy he produces well enough in this offense.

this. he will still get a lot of TD's and that will make up for any loss in production in yards on his part hes also running behind a far better line than he ran behind last season so its not a given his production will decline. he is more of a power back so if hes a bit slower than last year I dont see that hurting his production in a huge way. but I do think as the year wears on his numbers will start to fade a bit late in the season. for the record, this is the last year he will be draftable in my opinion. and I'd draft him as my RB2.

agreed. This is a fantasy football board. Lets leave god out of it. You dont want me talking about my lord and saviour the Flying Spaghetti Monster. because that's where this conversation is going. Lets keep it about football. There are sites that are appropriate for this content. Go post this stuff there.

I know what you mean. I do think that someone out of that group will have a career year. possibly even 2 players (though this is possible its less likely) the issue would be in figuring out which ones to pick. the Shiny new toy is McConkey. I think hes a good future player. I just dont know that he breaks out as a rookie. but there are possibly 4 players on this roster who have never been a #1 or #2 who may be asked to step into the role(other than Chark who was during his only 1000 yard season as a WR when Minshew was his QB) Chark is the only one who has had a 1000 yard season at any point. Josh palmers stats pro rated got him to the 2/3 of a season equivalent of 900 yards which gets him close. Quentin Johnson only had 430 yards as a rookie but he was a well regarded prospect selected in round 1 last year, so it could be him. or McConkey a 2nd round rookie with first round talent. This might be the most interesting puzzle I've seen and I look forward to some good debates on this as camp gets going

spotrac confirms there is a potential out after the 2026 season. 12.5 M dead cap hit. so at that point they could exit if that was their desire. granted the cost is high but in reality reasonable given the annual cap hit of 57 Mil that last year.

If you think Cousins will be productive for all 4 years of his contract, then yes, you might be right. personally I think Cousins will be productive for 2 (maybe 3) years and then his production likely falls off a cliff. There is an out in the contract for the team after 2026 I think. This is the succession plan. I dont mind it. I'm sure Cousins hates it but I dont care about his feelings about it. I only want him to produce when hes on my fantasy team.

I think it depends. if hes the teams #2 WR hes gonna get more looks than he got as a WR3 in the old offense. either way I think if you get him for the price of a WR4 or WR5 he will probably do well enough for you.

with respect to Chark I'd like to point out something else: year 1 he didnt play much. he was a rookie. year 2, 15 GP 118 targets 73 Catches 1008 yards and 8 TD Year 3 13 GP 93 targets, 53 catches 706 yards and 5 TD (pro rated over 16 games hes 868 yards and 6 TD) Year 4----injured most of the year. Year 5 in detroit 11 GP, 52 targets 30 catches 502 yards and 3 TD. worth noting he was injured much of the early part of this season as well. but his last 6 games when he finally got a bit healthy he got 388 yards. 3 games where he got 90+ yards receiving. this is enough to make me wanna see this guy fully healthy and with a good QB. Year 6 was a dogs breakfast in Carolina. 525 yards and 5 TD playing on a bad team. not sure what to make of this. I've seen him play and at times he looks like a stud, but then he goes and disappears at times too. (usually as a result of some injury) hes one guy who I feel at some point may break out but if it doesnt happen I think it will be because of his inability to stay healthy. but he has the potential to be a starter. I'm just not sure if he will take that last step he needs to take to get there. but the talent IS there.

I think he will be given a chance to do more than hes done in the past. he got 769 total yards with 3 TD in his second year. Last year 581 yards and 2 TD in 11 GP. pro rated over 17 games we are getting close to 900 yards and 3 TD. so if he gets more playing time as I think he will, he could be a 1000 yard guy. I'm not a big fan of his TD stats though so even if he gets 1000 yards the TD's will likely be underwhelming so he may be a guy you can draft as a WR4/5 but could produce as a WR3. to get into WR1/2 territory he likely needs more than 7 or 8 TD or he needs 1100+ yards. I'm not seeing that, but I could definitely see him as a high end WR3 or (at best) a really low end WR2 if things fall right for him. bottom line, he needs a lot more TD if hes gonna become anything more than a WR3.

that wasnt necessarily the part that was uncalled for. but calling him a free yahoo league guy is a bit over the top. I consider all of you on this board (with one or two exceptions) to be above that level in terms of knowledge. Thats one of the reasons I like chatting on this board. yes, grabbing a guy like this in round 6 of a rookie draft is certainly fair and reasonable. but then again, most of your roster guys in a league like this dont come from round 6. so you are playing with house money if he turns out to be a player you got him almost for free.