TBayXXXVII

You guys are still going with that? That's funny.

So you're telling us that a Super PAC donated $1.5M to the Biden campaign?

Will they need to get a REAL ID at some point? That'll be interesting when that racist Bill goes into affect.

I won't go that far. At this point, I don't have enough faith in the black voter to do what's in their best interest, until they actually do it.

You mean when the team with the best record (tied), in the NFL that year won the Super Bowl... not a .500 team who squeaked into the playoffs?

That's an emotional response, not a logical one. Again, players, coaches, and owners only care about themselves and money. Fans who think 9-8 in the playoffs is better than 10-7 without making the playoffs are stupid because the realistic odds of winning a Super Bowl for both, are still 0%. You don't need a total rebuild. You need the right QB. Mediocre to below average QB's are not the right QB.

White guys are named "Estes" now?

I don't care what the players think, they're emotional. I'm going by common sense and the direction of the team. Players on my team change every year... my "team" never changes. The fact is, a 10-win season is better than a 9-win season because that's a more tangible result. It shows progress. It shows that you're better than just average. More so if you have a harder schedule. I agree with you that the situation sucks, but it's still a better season. Winning a crappy division only because the division is crappy, isn't something to hang your hat on. That's how you end up with a mediocre to below average QB making $30M and your team regress the following year. Let's put it this way. The ONLY reason Tampa made the playoffs is because they beat the worst team in the NFL twice... once by 3 points, and the other in a must-win game, by scoring only 9 points. Their margin of victory in those two games averages out to 6 points. On average, that team lost by average of 11.2 points in their other 15 games.

Let me ask you this. Let's say the Bucs let Mayfield go, sign Tannehill, win 10 games against a harder schedule, and miss the playoffs. Will that be a better season than this year?

This is exactly right. What the Bucs need to do is to draft a potential franchise QB. I don't know who that is, I don't follow college football, but that IS the job of the GM. Do your job. Find a franchise QB (attempt to), because Mayfield is NOT that. He's a bridge, just like Cousins or Tannehill. You don't pay a guy who is a stop gap, top starter money.

That's when the extension came! Mayfield had NOTHING of a season like Wentz's.

Wentz almost won an MVP award. Who are you kidding?

The guy they take doesn't have to be Mahomes... the point is that being at #26 doesn't mean you can't trade up and find a franchise QB. Lamar Jackson was taken at #22. If the Bucs give Mayfield an extension and draft his replacement, that doesn't look good, just like it didn't after the Eagles gave Wentz an extension and draft Hurts in the 2nd round just 8 months later. That means, the Bucs are likely to give Mayfield a 3-year deal and won't draft a QB at all this year. That's how you take a good team and make them worse, it's by giving bad QB's good QB money. GM's and/or coach's lose jobs that way. The funny thing is, the Bucs traded the #7 overall pick in 2018 to Buffalo. Guess where that head coach is... who took Winston in 2015 and said "No, we don't need Josh Allen, we have Jameis Winston"?

I don't think we do.

He's the reason they only won 9 games... not more. Tampa has a good roster. If they had a "good", not even great, but just... "good" QB, they win 11+ games. Mayfield brought them down. A top 10 defense, Evans, Godwin, White, a top 10 pass blocking OLine and 13 teams that are average to below average on their schedule, and they won 9 games. It's not emotional at all. It's 100% logical. If I was being emotional, I'd be calling for a 5 yr+ $40M+ AAV extension for our new franchise QB.

If you're right, then there's no reason to not turn over everything. If they claimed they had over 4 TB of data and there's nothing to hide, why not turn it all over? Why delete over 1 TB of data? Like Hillary, you only delete what will get you caught of wrong doing.

7th best defense too, at 19.1 ppg.

In 2017, the Chiefs traded up from #27 to #10 to get a QB.. it cost them pick #91 that year and pick #22 the following year. Tampa has pick #26 this year. KC also extended their QB for 1 year that year. Are you telling me that Tampa can't do the same thing? I asked a question earlier that you dodged. How much would you offer Mayfield? If Tampa gave him a 1 yr/$18M deal and traded up to get a QB, I'd be ok with that. I think both you and the Bucs are thinking that Mayfield is going to get a 3 year $90M+ deal.

Did you see their opponents next year? They're not going to the playoffs. This year, they played 4 good teams... went 0-4 and only won 9 games. Next year they get Philly, Dallas, Detroit, San Fran, KC, Chargers, and Baltimore. I expect the Saints to improve their WR corp and the Falcons to get a QB that doesn't suck. If that happens, they're not winning 9 games nor winning the division... hence, not making the playoffs.

I expect the corruption in DC to continue and closed doors banter will take place behind the scenes and nothing will come of it.

EXACTLY! You don't give a guy like that, an extension. You shake his hand after the season and say "Thanks for all your help, I hope you get a chance to start somewhere else next year". But sadly, they're going to give him a deal and we're going to suck next year and lord knows what the fallout will be after that.

LOL, yeah, I said that... he's a below average starter! I have resigned myself to that fact already, so you're telling me anything new. I don't expect the Bucs to do the right thing. I do expect them to have a losing season next year.