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My guess is that they're thinking that the Ravens will want to keep Jackson healthy, hence, significantly less (if any), designed runs anymore. Just run if things break down.

I'm not as worried about WR's coming off ACL's as I am RB's. To me, this isn't a big deal. Last year, Godwin had 100 receptions and 1000 yards and finished as WR19, coming off an ACL that he tore in December the prior year. He was 9 months removed from surgery and still put up fantasy starter stats on a team with a garbage OC. Williams is doubled the time removed from his ACL than Godwin was. Hamstrings happen to tons of guys who aren't coming off an injury, plus he has what, a 4-game suspension to deal with? I think he'll be fine.

Sorry, thanks. I missed the 10-teamer.

I'm willing to bet that the bulk of that is boob jobs for porn stars and celebrities not wanting to look their age. Also the trans community.

You may end up being right, but I don't agree with you. I think Pacheco is a nice player, but I don't think he's great by any stretch. I'm also not buying into a 3rd round rookie getting at ton of touches either. I think the Jags found out that they had crap after Etienne and needed to add someone respectable to keep Etienne healthy. I think Etienne is going to get 20 touches per game, I can't envision Pacheco getting 14.

@Cloaca du jour won this thread with 2 simple posts. Well done.

I think you're right on this. He's fighting a battle he not only shouldn't be fighting, but is fighting one he can't win. He's 23 years old and going into his contract year. If he goes out and does what he did 2 years ago, he's going to get a big contract. If he does what he did last year, he's going to get the franchise tag. Either way, it's in his best interest to play. Focking around is only going to get him a short term deal that won't be for what he thinks he's worth, that team will run him into the ground the first year, maybe two, then cut him and not deal with him.

It's all about health. You don't even need the MVP season out of him where he threw for 3100 & 36 while rushing for 1200 & 7. His following year where he also played 15 games (2020), he threw for 2700 & 26 while rushing for 1000 & 7 is viable enough to warrant taking him as a top 5 QB. Funny thing is, in 2020 he was QB10 with those numbers. It's funny because those 341 points he got that year would make him QB5 last year. The big question is, do you think he'll be healthy for at least 15 games? The secondary question is, do you think comparable numbers would put him top 5 this year? A final question is, do you think he can fall somewhere between the 2019 MVP season and the 2020 season? Me? My answers are No, No, and No... but that doesn't mean they can't be Yes, Yes, and Yes for someone else.

Etienne is going in the early/mid 3rd round in re-drafts and in a keeper league where people are keeping at least 1 player, that means he'd go in the 2nd round in their draft. That's a 3 round value for a guy who should be a high-end RB2 / low-end RB1. Not knowing the league rules, he may be able to keep him 1 more year. If he throws him back, he's probably not getting Etienne back if he has to wait 20 picks to get his 2nd round pick. I'd rather have Etienne with the possibility of keeping him 1 more year than Pacheco who will probably be my RB3 that I may or may not start most weeks and probably not even keep him next year.

Why's that? I haven't started paying attention to football yet, outside of the Bucs.

No, they'll blame the Republicans... they'll say the parties switched.

They should defund the police completely and use social workers in the communist states and use real police officers in American states. You'll know which is which by the 81M.

Yup. But I will make the caveat that when people ask "Who was more responsible for the Patriots... Belichick or Brady", the answer is Brady. Just like the answer was Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe. That doesn't mean their coaches were overrated though, because the teams still won. As you said, other coaches have good and great players and never win.

That's exactly what happens. It turns non-guaranteed money into guaranteed money down the road. What they do is take base pay (which isn't guaranteed), and turn most of it into bonus money (guaranteed), so they can spread it out over more years to free up cap space in the current year. Let's say he had 5 years left on his deal and this year his base pay was $35M. They kick the can down the road by taking $30M of non-guaranteed money (because base pay isn't guaranteed), and giving it to him in bonus money, and leaving it as $5M in base pay. So, he's still getting all $35M of his money... he's not taking less. But, what happens is now that $30M gets spread out over the 5 years, giving each year and extra $6M of cap hit. So, instead of this year being a $35M cap hit, it's only $11M ($5M base pay + $6M bonus from restructure), and that's how they save $24M for this year.

Yup

It can be, but when you look at the list of pre-2008 QB's, at lot of the top guys who had long careers, are Hall of Famers.

If he plays well, only 1 team is getting Caleb Williams next year. I don't follow college football that much but I heard one other kid who's looking to be a high pick, but if I recall, there's only 2. Arizona and Washington are going to make a run at #1 overall in the next draft, I think there'll be a few others like Denver and Vegas who'll be in the running as well, even Tampa if Trask turns out to be just as terrible as Mayfield. Now, all aren't going to be looking to take a QB #1, but the more that are in the conversation, the more likely teams are going to look to trade up or down. At least one or two teams in need of a QB will be on the outside looking in. I can see someone parting with a 2025 #1 pick for Watson.

My bad, I didn't mean to hit too close to home Mr. Simpson, no offense meant.

Common sense agrees, but not every GM/Owner has common sense. Look at the deal Daniel Jones got. It only takes one.

He was better than solid when he was healthy. He played almost every game of his career before the new passing rules... and he currently ranks 11th all time in completion percentage. Here's the list of the top 10... take note of how many played their entire career post-2007: 1 Joe Burrow 68.2% 2020-2022 cin 2 Drew Brees 67.7% 2001-2020 2TM 3 Jimmy Garoppolo 67.6% 2014-2022 2TM 4 Deshaun Watson 67.0% 2017-2022 2TM 5 Justin Herbert 66.9% 2020-2022 sdg 6 Kirk Cousins 66.8% 2012-2022 2TM Kyler Murray 66.8% 2019-2022 crd 8 Dak Prescott 66.6% 2016-2022 dal 9 Teddy Bridgewater 66.4% 2014-2022 5TM 10 Patrick Mahomes 66.3% 2017-2022 kan He ranks 28th all-time in passer rating. Of the 27 ahead of him, 18 are current players, and of the other 9, 4 are in the hall of fame with Brady, Big Ben, Brees, and potentially Rivers, in the future.

No, he's not close to Brady, but Brady is the exception. Laws of averages significantly favor the higher draft picks. We can disagree on the H.O.F., that's fine.

I'd favor Pacheco because I think he's going to have a more productive offense, opportunities, and TD's. That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with Etienne. I wouldn't fault you for keeping him instead. While Pacheco is on a better offense, Etienne has a team with limited weapons. He could be used a lot more. The downside to that is higher risk of injury. That's the part that makes me favor Pacheco, but as I said, I think your fine with keeping Etienne.

If they really wanted him, they wouldn't need to part with a 1 & 2... my guess is that a 4 would be enough. Also, if he were really that good, the better move would be to trade Watson. There definitely would be a team who would part with a 1, and may be a 2, for him.

Agreed.... but Mahomes didn't take a pay cut. He's just re-working a current deal allowing the Chief's to kick the can down the road. In the original deal he signed, he had a $60M+ year that was set to hit in 2025, but now that's going to hit in 2027. He's still going to make the money he signed for, it's just the cap hit that's changing.

Well, it's liberal b.s. disguised to help the poor when it's going to help out the more well off people. Look, for a change, they're actually helping the middle class. But we all know what's going to happen. After the 2024 election, there'll be a black politician and say this policy helps white people disproportionately more than blacks or other minorities, and they'll change the plan at some point for the next election cycle.