TBayXXXVII

You're wasting your time. It's the king troll himself, Gutterboy, with a different alias.

I wonder at what point, will the leftists start calling the Muslim kid a White Supremacist.

My guess is that she's not interested. Don't be the next person to send a message, force her to contribute. If she doesn't, then you know she's not interested. Honestly though, it shouldn't be this difficult. I'd suggest moving on completely.

I agree, it can happen and will. I don't think there's any way around it. I think it's best if it's that way too. For the mass majority of men, this wouldn't be an issue, but I think the scum bags need to be held accountable. The guy had just as much of a say in having sex as the girl did, he has consequences as well. He should not have a get out of jail free card. To an extent, they both are equally involved... otherwise, one is raping the other, right? I understand the how this scenario sucks, more for men, but can suck for women. It's what we as a society should understand to be a necessary evil. If we start giving me the ability to bang chicks without recourse, too many bad things are going to happen... and it's going to suck for the rest of us more than the people involved. If the abortion issue stays under the governments foot, they're only forever be an ideological war where everyone loses. A fight like your asserting is basically going to create a bigger problem where you're giving the man more power in the situation. That's a BAD thing. Very bad. The best way to handle this is, her body, her choice, HER money. The woman should have no legal recourse to get money from the guy to have the abortion. If he wants to help, fine, if not... it's her dime. It's about $1k, probably less. If the claim by the left that it's cheaper for society to kill the kid than force the woman to have it, I can claim that it's cheaper for her to kill the kid than have it. Pay the money and do it.

In theory, yes, but we know in real life, the answer is no. It's no because no one has the right to force anyone to do something they don't want to do. Sucks, but it's true. I do think that the flipside should be accounted for too. If the woman doesn't want the abortion, but the man does, she can't force him to have any responsibility that he doesn't want... but that won't fly either.

The abortion issue is so stupid. It doesn't even belong under the governments purview. It's an elective medical procedure, plain and simple. Is a women killing her child? Yes, but as long as she's paying for it and is ok with being a murderer, then have at it. I don't even care when she does it. Murder is murder... be it at 9 minutes or 9 months. But hey, your body, your choice, your money.

LOL @5-Points, I was just about to say the same thing.

You're scared of honesty? Makes sense.

It might... could be the reason she retired.

Yeah, the way the Tech school is being handled is a good thing for everyone, I'm actually surprised. Yes, currently VHS has about the same enrollment as the year before CCTec opened, but there was a drop in between, though not a big one. I'm guessing that's probably the same for most school districts? But CCTech pulls from the entire county and only has 1k students, so while there are probably more kids from Vineland who go there, they may not be the majority of the whole. Vineland has a high Hispanic count because of the farming. I think it would be foolish to not think that there's a constantly growing Hispanic population because of that. So yes, it's possible to that the student body's family income is lower. But, there's not less money going to the school because over 81% of the budget comes from the state and 6% from DC. Only 13% is local. The vast majority of the local tax money is coming from East Vineland, which is highly populated with wealthy white people. So, even though less than 20% of the VHS student body is white, they're still carrying the local heavy lifting. Vineland has a LOT of Section 8 housing. That number grows every year... it probably accounts for why the school enrollment isn't much lower than it was in 2016, and probably confirms your thought that the median income is going down. But like I said, not much is local tax money.

Well, if it "runs in the party", I'm guessing her nose.

Criminals have feelings dagnabit!!!

Personally, I'm fine with calling ANYONE who acts like those people, "animals"... whether they're black, white, Hispanic, Asian, or whatever.

I don't care who you are, but that's funny right there.

Do we know if the song is still playing in the desert?

I second this motion.

Oh, I don't disagree with that the kids of poor parents are at a disadvantage, but I don't think restricting school choice hurts them. In fact, I'd even argue that school choice helps them. Why? Because it keeps the teacher/student ratio down. Kids who have a harder time learning, benefit from having more time with the teacher. The more kids in your school equals less time for each kid. I'd even argue that it would be even worse because teachers will gravitate more towards the better students and would be more likely to neglect the kids who are struggling. What I think hurts the kids more from the crappy parents is their lack of putting a focus on education. What I like about the Tech schools here are that it mitigates the lazy/crappy parent affect. The Tech schools are public schools... all you have to do is test for it to get in. That helps the kids of the crappy parents because the kids take the tests in 8th grade. Every kid gets a test. You don't have to register, sign up, or apply... you just take the test. If you get in, then your in. You get on the bus in the morning just like every other kid, and go to school. The parents don't really have to do anything.

Yeah, so was I. Cumberland County didn't reduce the money going to those schools, they increased the school tax to pay for CCTech. No one left to go to a private school, that wasn't already. The enrollment for CCTech is around 1k, which is on par with Millville and about 50% smaller than Bridgeton, but about 2.5x smaller than Vineland. Odds are that the bulk of the kids are from Vineland, that are going to CCTech. There are definitely some from Millville, but I'd venture to say that Bridgeton has the smallest representation. Again though, none of those schools got less money because of CCTech. CCTech opened in 2016. For example, Vineland... for the school year of 2015-2016 (the year before CCTech opened), Vineland's school budget was at $198.6M (of which 80% came from the state). For the upcoming year, it's $218M of which, 81.2% is coming from the state, for approximately the same amount of students. At a $20M increase in spending for the same amount of students after 7 years, they're clearly not being affected by money.

Sure, but I think that's because their parents are douchebags and not because of society itself. Can there be some that don't have douchebags for parents? Sure. But I think we're going majorly disagree on how many that really is.

They're not being taken out of public schools. CCTech is a public school, Gloucester County also has a tech school and so does Atlantic County that allows kids from Salem and Cape May Counties to attend. They're all public schools, free of charge to everyone. The kids leaving for school choice are going to other public schools like Delsea, Buena, Washington Twp, and Franklin Twp.

I don't think that matters because they all live in NJ which is a very expensive state to live in. A child living in a household income of say $75k is NOT a higher income family, regardless of what school they go to.

No, I don't. I think the vast majority of those people are their own worst enemy. I think they're lazy, make poor decisions, and listen to rhetoric that enables them to feel entitled to be coddled by society. It's not a secret. It's not a conspiracy. The Brookings Institute did a study that found that if you graduate high school, get a full-time job, and don't have a child before you're married, you're 80% more likely to NOT be poor. All 3 of those things are controlled by every individual person... it's more true today than ever before because of the number of jobs that are out there that are unfilled. I think "society, race, and economics" is an excuse, not a reason.

Do you consider lower middle class to be a "higher income" family? If so, then I can't say I agree with you.... completely.

Yeah, I think you're right that it is close, closer than I'd originally thought. I'd put Hoosiers just behind The Sandlot.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, I was just pointing out what I see. It's not a racial/poor thing, to me what I see is the people who focus on education as being important are the ones doing well, at CCTech for example, the racial population is 50% white and 40% Hispanic. Sure, it's more white, but the direction of the school (again, it's a public school, so it's free), is more future/education geared. Like prior, it's also the kids that stay out of trouble. Focus on grades, stay out of trouble and you'll be able to go to a local public score (free), and have a better college career path that'll save you money. No race nor economic income is necessary. Cumberland Regional is pretty much on par in the racial demographic as the county, and yeah, it's a pretty crappy school in terms of results. To me, this confirms what I just said. CCTech is free. Kids who go to Cumberland Regional are eligible to go there. They are mostly white and lower income over there. You'd think that if you didn't have money, one of the things you'd focus on for your kids is to get a good education as cheaply as possible. Focusing in on school work and getting in to CCTech would get you a better education at a better quality school where you'd also have an easier time staying out of trouble. On top of that, as I said, you can practically earn an Associates degree there. Saving a year and half's worth of college education should be something that every parent should want. To me, this totally a parent issue/problem... not a societal, racial, or economical one.