TBayXXXVII

Good, something we agree on. Both don't belong.

You're saying that "religion" and "Jesus Christ" aren't synonymous?

No, says the person with common sense... to the person without it.

Well that's a very ignorant take.

The first wrong is the liberal agenda in the classroom, at the national level. The second wrong is injecting religion into the public system.

Stupid. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Weird, I was thinking the same thing.

LOL, why do I bother. I literally quoted your replies.

Gotchya. If he does win, it probably would be in his best interest to take the route that you suggested on the consignment route.

I believe you asked that of Tim, not MDC, right?

Would that fly in court? She did admit already in public that was the reason for going to his bakery and placing the order. I guess she could say "Well, I was only kidding when I said that", but I'd think that would tarnish her credibility. Not in Colorado, but it could as it moved up the ladder in appeals.

You said the swastika "would violate community standards for decency". If it's a private party, there's no violation of community standards for decency... if such a thing even exists. The only people there would be people who share similar interests. I don't disagree with your opinion, I just don't think that customers should have a right to undermine someone else's rights by force (i.e., take them to court). Again, religion is a protected right, politics is not. Hence, the scenarios doesn't jive.

I watch YouTube. I watch people's channels that I find entertaining. Some are people building houses (construction so to speak), building cabins in the middle of nowhere, cooking, baking, model railroads, baseball videos, things like that. If at any point, someone chooses to make politics or social constructs a part of their show, I stop watching.

Sure, but that analogy doesn't fly because religious beliefs are protected under the constitution and while political views are not. Hence, why I focused on the aspect of privacy. The two only jive in the sense that they're private events and not public.

The cake is for a private event... not public. If a person wants a swastika on a sign for a private event, then there are no violations to community standards or hate speech.

The baker is injecting his religious beliefs, which is constitutionally protected, not his political beliefs which are NOT constitutionally protected. I haven't followed your back and forth that much in the thread, so maybe I'm missing something. If so, my bad.

Could he argue that, being targeted by the plaintiff, she was responding to his beliefs and not actually asking for a generic routine innocuous task.

You certainly wouldn't. LOL You know what's funny? Biden 40 years ago would've supported Donald Trump today. Biden 40 years ago, opposed illegal immigration (like Trump today) Biden 40 years ago, was racist (which liberals claim Donald Trump is today) Biden 40 years ago, opposed abortion (like Trump today) In 1988, Donald Trump told Oprah (a hard core lefty... as was/is her crowd), what he'd do if he were President. Back then, she supported his views and her crowd cheered along. Guess what, Trump did exactly those things when he got into office. What changed? Noticed, back in 1988 he was a standard Democrat with those views... today, with the SAME EXACT views, he's considered "alt-right". This is undeniable proof that not only has the right moved LEFT, that the left is completely far left.

That's the right play.

When we know more about Irving, that's when I'd be more worried... or less, about White. I'd actually expect similar numbers from Mayfield. I believe the team will be about what they were last year, just the record won't be as good... I'm thinking 6 to 8 wins, where last year I had them 7 to 9. Forced to put a number on it, I'd say 7. Reason being, I because I think they'll be losing a little more often, I think they throw a little bit more. His efficiency may be worse than last year, but I'd still expect about 4k and 28 because the volume will still be there, if not higher. It's why I think White should still be ok if he's still getting the touches. He may lose a carry or two for say 4 ypc, but gain a reception. The net is already a plus, before we even put a yardage total on it. I'd put Mayfield down as mid-range QB2. I'd expect him to put up totals, similar to Tua. I'd say somewhere between 16 and 20.

So the complaint is that the intent of the colors of the frosting are irrelevant and that the baker should be forced to bake the cake for the customer or be found guilty of discrimination?

I think the baker should counter sue for discrimination. He's being targeted for his religious beliefs.

I don't have a problem with the executive order. To me, this is probably the easiest and best way to deal with this group of people. That said, the order doesn't sway me in either direction. If it never came into existence, I wouldn't have cared either.