SaintsInDome2006

That's a good ol' canard, that is. It was the most grotesque act of political violence and insurrection since the Civil War.

No, what is it? Is that Singapore's convention center?

Sure, I'll keep you posted.

The Derangement thing again - I have questions - the people who line the street outside his country club, the boat parades, the merch stores, the online merch stores, the Trump Bibles..... the children's books... that's not deranged?

Because the statement was "he saved our economy once" and I pointed out the economy crashed. Then in the same post I acknowledged that the crash wasn't his fault, but regardless the economy was never saved by Trump, far from it. Now if someone wants to talk about the massive dump into the market then please do, but it was also a major contributor to the inflation that got everyone so understandably agitated. As for Trump, we're talking about a guy who called the supply chain "supply change".

Oh, I didn't realize that was him. Thanks.

I specifically said further up that the Covid crash wasn't his fault. I think maybe the closest thing I can find to a direct policy driven crash like we're seeing today was 1929 and maybe 2008. In fact if any maga folks want to do it they should give Trump credit for finally acknowledging what was happening and dumping $7 trillion into the market in March 2020. It's like the vaccine thing, they don't like his greatest 2 accomplioshments.

Hey, it's no problem. I did find this. 1907: Roosevelt (R) -50% 1929: Hoover (R) -83% 1945: Truman (D) -22% 1974: Ford (R) -42% 1987: Reagan (R) -22% 2001: Bush (R) -45% 2008: Bush (R) -50% 2020: Trump (R) -30% - I'm not sure where you're marking Trump's 2nd era from, when he came into office, from election day, April 1st?

Buddy, you follow a guy who wears a wig, girdle and makeup and his wife doesn't even live in the same city as him.

I'll check back in later, but there is this: since 1953 there have been five 2-day declines of 10% on the S&P and 2 of the 5 were under Trump.

Interesting, I didn't realize there was more than one: Taj Majal - Trump Revel AC Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino - Trump the Atlantic Club Casino Hotel Showboat Atlantic City (Caesars). So, as it turns out Trump had more than one in AC. That's even worse judgement at least as to his AC investments, than I had realized.

"Art of the Deal!" "Surviving at the Top!" {wait a few months...} ---->>> Bankrupt. Yeah I guess not.

I guess I'll never understand the admiration for this. He's manipulated the laws of the US to avoid creditors repeatedly. I'll admit the fraud is baked into the system, so there's that. But he has repeatedly failed at business, over & over again. It's his political career that has saved his empire, which btw I'm sure you know his father and brother built.

He's overseen two of the biggest market crashes since 1929, one of which has been directly his fault and which is also leading into a recession.

Ha well the man is a complete and absolute blowhard when it comes to business.

Just a fun fact about "Art Of The Deal": - Trump filed for bankruptcy 5 months after its publication. Oops so sorry, Trump went bankrupt within 5 months of the publication of his book, "Trump: Surviving at the Top." (Published 8/14/90). Trump filed for bankruptcy roughly 11/17/90 after investigations for fraud and mishandling of funds. (And that was one of the early involvements with Russian mafia IIRC.) He went bankrupt within 3 years of publishing "The Art of the Deal" (published 11/1/87).

Just a fun fact about "Art Of The Deal": - Trump filed for bankruptcy 5 months after its publication.

Yeah it makes no sense why ABC took down the whole site. When Silver sold out he sold out all the way.

Fun fact: Only two presidents in American polling history have had net negative approval ratings at this point in an administration: The first was Donald Trump in his first term. The second is Donald Trump in his second term. (source - Harry Enten) Trump is at negative 12 (-12) in April 2025.

State Secret, yaknow.

This is the post-WW2 trend of manufacturing in the American economy. The Republicans used to incentivize foreign corporations to come here by granting them massive tax breaks. Biden himself arranged for VW to do just that in 2023 and my guess he did something similar. Other European and Asian car manufacturers have been relocating to the South because of a lack of collective bargaining. This reminds me of the liberals with Obamacare/ACA. There is always a cost. If you want to bring manufacturing back you'll have to carve out a ton of our GDP devoted to foreign trade, pay a lot (like a lot, lot, lot) more for your goods, (especially if you're simultaneously cutting back on immigrant labor) decrease opportunities for Americans to work in tech, media, service and other fields, and also shave back entitlements so that Americans are forced into factories like what happens in the 3rd world countries that we currently buy en masse from. And before you respond please look at the graph I linked to.

I get it, he wants to return to pre-1913. That's how it was then, tariffs - federal ad valorum or sales taxes - and no federal income tax.

Just so I get the parties right here, the ones banging the table for increased taxes are.... who?

Of course! We did it with Mexico and Canada, and Trump tore that up. Trump did it with China, and he tore that up. But let's keep doing this square dance and this time involve the whole world.