SaintsInDome2006

Not in my opinion. Doing the sort of thing Musk is describing is rarely found in history. Maybe a handful of examples.

No I’m not in favor of it. - Fwiw I was talking about dogmatism generally not specifically communism.

Not in my opinion, but in any event my point is it’s a federal not state responsibility. I’m not a Democrat but thank you for the reply.

Epstein Showed Me Photos of Trump with Topless Young Women Sitting in His Lap, Claims Author >>Jeffrey Epstein showed off photos of Donald Trumpwith “topless young women” sitting in his lap, the controversial author Michael Wolff has alleged. The pedophile financier had about half a dozen pictures which showed Trump by the pool with multiple young women, Wolff claimed on his podcast, Fire & Fury, Thursday. They were taken in the “late ’90s” at Epstein’s Palm Beach home, where he victimized dozens of underage girls along with his procurer, Ghislaine Maxwell, Wolff said. Wolff alleged that they were in Epstein’s safe, which the FBI seized when they raided his homes in New York and Palm Beach in July 2019. The massive haul of evidence taken by the feds has never been made public—and while prosecutors disclosed after the raid that they had “hundreds of photos of girls and young women,” they have never offered any more details of them. Wolff said of the photos, “They were with Trump at Epstein’s Palm Beach house sitting around the pool with these young girls, and the young girls are topless. “And in some of the pictures, they’re sitting in his lap. I mean, and, and then there’s one I especially remember where there’s a stain, a telltale stain and on the front of Trump’s pants, and the girls are pointing at him and laughing.” Trump separated from his second wife Marla Maples in 1997 and began dating his third wife, Melania, in 1998. …Wolff described the photos as he revealed details of how Epstein was a key source for him while writing his best-selling book Fire & Fury, which rocked the Trump White House when it was published in 2018. Wolff said he had as much as 100 hours of tapes of Epstein talking about Trump and played a short snippet of one of the tapes in the podcast. He also said he was prompted to speak after allegations this week by a former Miss Switzerland that Trump groped her, “grabbing and touching my body everywhere he could.” Asked by the co-host of the podcast, journalist James Truman, “Where are these pictures?” Wolff suggested they may be among the items taken by the FBI, which worked for Trump’s attorney general, Bill Barr, at the time. “You know, he would go and he would take them out of the safe. And then he would return them to the safe and I would say it’s likely that they would have been there when the FBI, Trump’s FBI at that point, not to put too fine a point on it, raided Epstein’s house and took the contents of the safe in 2019.” In 2017, when Wolff was speaking to Epstein, the pedophile was living as a free man and socializing openly in New York and Florida. The tape appears to have been made in a restaurant. But, said Wolff, he felt that Epstein was at the time living in fear of Trump, whose victory the pedophile had predicted the previous year. “I couldn’t help but feeling that there was a level of personal fear there. So he’s having this conversation with me. And as I say, I’m writing Fire and Fury," Wolff said. "I‘m trying to figure out Donald Trump, but it‘s as confounding to me, of course, as it was to everybody. ’What? Who is this guy? How did this happen?’“ Wolff said Epstein’s level of fear “startled” him, and said, “I’ve spoken to several other people who knew Epstein well and yeah, you know, they make the same point. And I know that Epstein would emphasize how he believed Trump was capable of doing anything. He had no scruples.“ Claims that Epstein had compromising material on the rich and powerful with whom he associated have long swirled, especially since his death in a federal jail cell in August 2019, weeks after his arrest. …<<

This is a nice place.

>>Wolff … said he had around “100 hours of Epstein talking about the inner workings of the Trump White House and about his long standing, deep relationship with Donald Trump.” … Epstein had wanted Wolff to write his biography. <<

>>“His people fight each other,” Epstein tells Wolff on the recording, “and then he [Trump] poisons the well outside.” “He will tell ten people ‘Bannon’s a scumbag’ and ‘Priebus is not doing a good job’ and ‘Kellyanne has a big mouth’—what do you think? Jamie Dimon [CEO of JPMorgan Chase] says that you’re a problem and I shouldn’t keep you. And I spoke to [financier] Carl Icahn. And Carl thinks I need a new spokesperson.” He continues: “So Kelly[anne]—even though I hired Kellyanne’s husband—Kellyanne is just too much of a wildcard. And then he tells Bannon, you know I really want to keep you but Kellyanne hates you.” Epstein is referring to former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, former White House chief of staff Reince Priebus and former White House senior counselor Kellyanne Conway, whose then-husband, George Conway, was briefly considered for positions in Trump’s Department of Justice. The recording seems to show that Epstein and Trump were close enough for the disgraced sex offender to know how Trump ruled his White House: by dividing and conquering his staff.<<

I’m not against people running for office telling constituencies that their policies will help or even profit them. I don’t think Dems should hand out Popeyes & tea to get people on buses to vote, I’d be fine with prosecuting that even if it’s roughly $100. Trump or Harris promising future benefits from their policies doesn’t offend me in the least.

Not being snarky, it reminds me of Leninist-Stalinist-Maoist dogmatism that is highly destructive to society & global stability.

Oh I get it. Trump offered that MSG event on a platter & Harris ran with it. & then Biden killed 5 years of message discipline with a gold plated Classic Biden Gaffe & Trump with that. But obviously health care, abortion, the economy, NATO, his past & future cabinet positions, immigration.

Eh people in my area have been accused of bribing voters with food, drink & transportation to the polls for decades. I do think it’s a good point how people can vote Dem, 3rd party or not vote, it’s a poor gimmick.

No enforcement of immigration & naturalization is a federal responsibility. But I do find it amusing this campaign so obsessed with illegal immigration has thrown an illegal alien success story into the forefront of its campaign.

You can complain about the law all you want but no offering programs from state, local or federal government as an incentive for voting is as old as the hills and not illegal.

The case was removed to federal court.

I’m not revisiting 7 pages of what I’m sure are repeated posts about this very claim (Biden was speaking of singular-possessive ‘supporter’! Vs ‘no he wasn’t!’). I’m sure that folks have also covered Trump’s repeated use of terms like garbage, trash, scum, animals, enemies, etc etc. It’s not remotely believable that respect for fellow citizens is a core value of Trump supporters.

Musk has been ordered into court today to answer to charges of vote buying.

This is Classic Trump. Puts his whole leg in a pile of of his own verbal diarrhea, takes one vague statement & turns it into a week long controversy lighting up his followers, filibustering & blotting out all substantive issues right up until the election. There were 4-5 years of this manure, on & on & on.

Workers Say They Were Tricked and Threatened as Part of Elon Musk’s Get-Out-the-Vote Effort America PAC door knockers were flown to Michigan, driven in the back of a U-Haul, and told they’d have to pay hotel bills unless they met unrealistic quotas. One was surprised they were working to elect Donald Trump. >> “I was in shock and disbelief,” says a paid door knocker flown to Michigan to help turn out the vote for former president Donald Trump on behalf of Elon Musk’s America PAC. In Michigan, canvassers and paid door knockers for the former president, contracted by a firm associated with America PAC, have been subjected to poor working conditions: A number of them have been driven around in the back of a seatless U-Haul van, according to video obtained by WIRED, and threatened that their lodging at a local motel wouldn’t be paid for if they didn’t meet canvassing quotas. One door knocker alleges that they didn’t even know they were signing up for anything having to do with Musk or Trump. The contract these door knockers signed with Blitz Canvassing, which is a subcontractor of Musk’s America PAC, says they are “expected to maintain a 17-22% engagement rate during the campaign,” which is a high target relative to the number of people who typically open their door for a stranger. A group of out-of-state America PAC canvassers were told during a recent team meeting that if they didn’t hit their targets, which the door knocker says were more than 1,000 a week on total doors knocked, the organization would stop paying for their motel rooms. …<<

It's 1600 voters and they can still show proof of residence at the voting booth, so that level it's a zip. The reason it's a win for Republicans is it signifies the 6 person majority in the USSC willing to intercede in local election disputes.

Hm, no, I think in every election intelligence is a key component when deciding for whom to vote. As a matter of fact as I've indicated Trump isn't even (IMO) the most intelligent person in his marriage. - I'll give you an example: in the whole Hitler thing something Kelly pointed out was that Trump claimed to love Hitler's generals but at the same time had no idea who Rommel was.

I'm well aware of the claim. I'm not saying you're right or wrong about her doing that. Let's say she does. In your opinion it takes less intelligence to know and do a different accent for each group you're with, is that right? Could you do that for instance?

Even presuming you believe this (you must) it implies you believe it takes less intelligence to operate with a different accent for each event a person attends?

Honestly, given the languages she speaks & the multiple walletectomies she's performed on him, I suspect ex-softcore-lezbo-"escort"-illegal-alien Melania Knauss is smarter than Trump.

How did I get the English plainer for you: She's very intelligent and super-qualified for the job. Trump on the other hand threatened Fordham and Penn with legal action to never release his admission or grades information.

Daughter of two professors, speaks fluent French, Howard, JD. IMO she's far more intelligent than her opposition.