SaintsInDome2006

Covid caused a lot of disruption but even then midwesterners didn't have a 25% sur-tax slapped on them.

Probably because discussions about poultry virus control and domestic agricultural markets is something people don't pay attention to unless they absolutely have to. It's entirely possible that American egg sellers are selling far fewer eggs, so prices have cratered.

Higher energy prices in the midwest states is inevitable, there's a 25% tax off the bat now.

Higher prices, lower employment, less trade, stocks down, rates up, and a general hatred of the US amongst our former brothers and allies. I would add that it would add to the deficit - Trump picked up the tab on the farm tariffs in Trump-1 - but I have a feeling this time they'll just let it go thud.

George W. Bush -- Father of the Modern Electric Car

That's fair, I do think Trump is deranged. But you're talking about a guy who thinks Ukraine invaded Russia, who thinks "supply chain" is "supply change," who thinks transgenic mice are transgender mice, who is convinced that the Spanish Flu was in 1917 and ended the 1st World War in 1917, who stood up and told the American people that Covid patients could be injected with cleaner and cured with sunshine, who thinks the ex-KGB colonel in the Kremlin and the mad goblin in Pyongyang are his friends, who courted Epstein and wished Ghislaine Maxwell well,.... sure I'd call him deranged. I don't know what other word you would choose.

1991. There is no pro-Russia party - like say Regions, which was run partly by Paul Manafort once - anymore. Zelensky's primary opponents have both endorsed his staying in the presidency as required by the Ukraine constitution while war is underway. And Luhansk and Donetsk have been razed by Putin. There are hardly any people left to even hold an election there - people have been mass murdered, forced to leave the country or region, or just plain kidnapped - even if overseen and if Russia would keep a ceasefire, which they won't, there is hardly anyone there. The crazy thing is that Putin is really, really foolish. When there was peace Regions had a sizeable influence in Ukraine politics. Having done what they have done now, even if successful, it will permanently be an enemy of its neighbor.

>“Look at even things like supply change. Things we never even heard about, you never heard that term.”< And Trump doesn’t know what the supply chain is or means.

How Tariffs Work. The main things to understand are reverberating effects on 1. Currency & 2. The supply chain. On the 2nd piece it’s basically what happened in Covid, which we all understand because we experienced it. It was cured by the US government dumping roughly $7 trillion into the market.

It’s funny how people forget things. The EV push began as a result of the post 9/11/01, Iraq, & Afghan conflicts. It was a conservative idea to make the country less dependent on foreign oil. Liberals later seized on it as a way to personally combat climate change. Tesla was created *before Musk. Like Twitter he stepped in, took it over, & has converted it into a partisan platform, & now its in a dive. Tesla is extra confusing because liberals loved it, so maga hates it, but maga also loves Musk, so maga loves Tesla but really for some bizarre reason just Tesla trucks, which liberals now hate along with Tesla generally. The times we live in.

You're right, Tim referred to Vance & Trump, you replied, "He's a combat veteran." I take it you just meant Vance (who did not see combat but anyway).

You specifically said Vance was a combat veteran and for some reason you added Trump, that's what I replying to. I agree with you on Biden, but he had legal, normal deferments, besides the student deferments he took an actual exam, and based on health records he has produced to the public he has indeed had asthma. I'm not criticizing people who had legal deferments (Cheney, Biden, Clinton) or who served in non combat roles (Bush Jr., Gore, Walz, Vance). Also Obama and Biden released Biden's Selective Service records. That has never happened with Trump. Never will too.

I own a big ol' Jeep. I do have a friend with a Tesla & it gets wracked on New Orleans' pockmarked streets.

Much respect and appreciation. I was just responding to a comment where combat service was considered the basis for supporting Trump and Vance. Also if Trump had just said what you said I'd certainly respect it. He never has, instead he's never produced actual medical records.

I don't think Tesla's problems are about EV mandates or state or federal purchases. It's the rep, the quality & the owner, and soon tariffs.

Sure go get 'ya summ.

I don't think Vance saw combat, he served in a pr capacity like Al Gore. NTTAWWT. Trump evaded the draft by having a doctor falsify his medical record to indicate he has a foot condition (bone spurs) when he did not.

The craziest thing about this - despite all the lying - is the US has made bank off of ramping up LNG export to Europe as a result of all this. Major US gas revenues are at stake here and it has taken 20 years to build.

This is how Ukraine voted for independence, by province.

If that was the Wagner skirmish, that was an entirely different matter. Trump had nothing to do with that, Russian forces attacked the US and our forces decimated them quickly.

Russia does not have any air bases in Turkey. It has never had air bases in Turkey.

IIRC three weeks ago Trump told Hamas to hand over all hostages within a week or else all hell would break loose.

It's been three widespread outages today. There were also outages in March and November of 2024 and in July 2023.

$TSLA stock is down 50% since December.