jerryskids

First, good for you on the self defense stuff. If a stranger picks up a kid and carries them out, and the kid just wiggles and cries, bystanders will presume it is a disciplinary situation. Gouging eyes and kicking balls though, that's not normal and gets attention. I would add to teach them to scream "you're not my father/mother!" as well. We used to work on this with kids in our martial arts classes (it helped that we had helmets with face masks, and cups). Anyway, I would propose that we are both concerned with different slippery slopes. Yours is that people use the bathroom issue as an anti-trans issue. That's fair. Mine is that letting them in bathrooms, if not in and of itself dangerous, is a step in the Saul Alinsky playbook of letting them into locker rooms, prisons, and women's sports. Sometimes the thing is just the thing, though. On the locker rooms and prisons, to me that is an easy hard stop. Similar for women's sports, definitely contact sports, but any where a biological male would have a competitive advantage. You legislate to the norm -- if there is some obscure case like the boxer who was identified as female at birth, you address that as a one-off. The bathrooms to me are a little harder; I'd default to "no" because of young girls in particular, but like I said, I don't know that any guy can truly empathize with the concerns women have in the presence of large men. I'd just as well let women duke that one out and decide. In the end, IMO it's unfortunate that opposition to biological men in women's locker rooms, say, is argued by both sides as whether or not the person is truly a woman. I think that distracts from the real concerns. I would prefer that my "side" take more of an approach of "we understand that you identify as a woman, but for the good of society, we can't let you into these spaces. Here is why." There are clear reasons, many of which I've mentioned already.

He won this thread.

I've been meaning to respond to this, as you repeatedly ask the above, but I hadn't gotten around to it. When I tried searching for statistics of violent crimes BY transgenders, all of the results were for violent crimes AGAINST transgenders. Odd. I tried both Google and DuckDuckGo. You would think that such algorithms would be sophisticated enough to understand my search. Regardless, I'm left to conclude that either such data doesn't exist, or they don't want me to see it. More importantly though, there is a danger in relying on past results to predict future results, particularly when the systems generating those results have undergone significant change. I point this out frequently to @The Real timschochet whenever he quotes statistics about the economic benefits of immigration. In the case of trans women, until recently we have had much fewer trans people, and those generally had to go through years of therapy, much of the latter end I presume in learning how to coexist in society. But now we have a social contagion (please don't argue we don't, you are too smart for that) and a large industry built around "gender affirmation." Think about that -- "affirmation" implies that we accept your belief as the default. Much has been documented about the comorbidities that trans folks have with other mental health issues; if you want me to search for some links I can. Somebody posted that link about the trans woman wanting to bang Mace's face into the cement until she dies. You can say that's a one-off, but such folks are out there. Also, this recent surge in trans acceptance (if not celebration) has begun to enable a class of sh1tty men who are predators but not trans to get into women's safe spaces. All of this is to say that you cannot look at statistics from the past in this instance. I'll end with a discussion I had with my wife yesterday on this topic. She is a taekwondo black belt so better trained than most to defend herself, but not large, 5' 1". I told her about this thread and she pointed out that women wear some weird stuff in the interest of fashion, and if you have a romper on, you are basically sitting in the stall nekkid. She didn't like the idea of a large man in the room, or the stall next door, while feeling so vulnerable. I like to think of myself as empathetic, but I don't think any guy can truly empathize with women on this topic.

Indeed. I would point out that gender-affirming care is often a euphemism for medical castration, but you claim to have me on ignore.

Unfortunately, that's all that's left.

I intentionally misspelled the word to avoid triggering folks like yourself. I'd say HTH, but you put me on ignore while not ignoring way more offensive posters, because you know that you have no response to my posts, like this one. Feel free to prove me wrong.

I would absolutely put Ben in before Average Eli.

Presuming 2K hours per year of work (40 hours per week, 50 weeks), which is probably way more than Gen Z wants to work, that's a mere $300/hour. Surely we can swing that as a society? Heck, that's couch cushion money for the Geek Club.

I wear these types of hats all the time, I've got 5 of them. Golfing, hiking, yard work. They're the best for protection from the AZ sun. Three of them are cloth with mesh tops which are my summer hats. One is a silly-wide brim Cardinals hat that my wife won't let me wear in public; it's my yard work hat because it provides the most protection. The other two are nicer: one is an Akubra wool hat from a sales incentive trip in Sydney. The other is a leather floppy hat I got last year from a leather store in Jerome, AZ. I wore that hiking today. I'd be concerned about the Wagga Wagga, living in Colorado, because it says it isn't waterproof. My leather hat is, although I'm overdue to treat it. As such, I'd suggest oilskin. There are plenty of options. I'd go with one of the standard ones, but if you get multiple, I'm a bit intrigued by the Kodiak mesh: https://www.outbacktrading.com/collections/hats/products/1472-kodiak-with-mesh-oilskin-hat It looks better on the cowboy dood's head than standalone. Gets 4.9 reviews. It would be more of a summer hat for you. Claims to be waterproof (maybe not totally in the mesh area), but also allows air flow. Good luck.

Pretty good summary, but you missed a few things in Kamala's favor. 1. The MSM gaslit the public 24/7 that Kamala was hip and popular and well-spoken, and who needs press conferences or any unscripted, difficult discussion? 2. The Leftist elites donated > $1B to the Kamala campaign (and they inexplicably overspent), flooding the airwaves with ads.

Maybe she didn't want to get stalked by an internet cat guy any more.

He was "only" 83; I'd have thought he was older. RIP Chuck

Glad ASU beat KU, will help in the tiebreaker of record vs common teams.

2016

Also, I made myself a double old fashioned after that game. I think my heart was beating faster than after my HIIT workout this morning.

Wasn't there; all tickets were >$200 and our daughter came over who I hadn't seen in a month. Couple of friends went tho. To Pat's comment, the excitement is because with a win over a down Arizona team in the Territorial Cup next week (never underestimate a rival), they are in the Big 12 championship game. I'm 99% sure. As CMH implied, it looks like ASU and Iowa State control their destinies. That being said, that coaching by Kenny Dillingham for ASU at the end of the game was about the most full retard coaching I've ever seen. They won despite, not because, of his idiocy in that sequence.

Oh, he'll get stuff done, but not all your childish trolling list. Balanced budget was a campaign goal?

I love that you chose to throw away your vote in the most valuable swing state, solely so that you could troll here regardless of who won. I'll smile whenever you troll like this for the next 4 years.

Not sure what to tell you. Maybe go back to HS and learn how our federal government works? Mooney is a teacher in PA, perhaps he'd tutor you?

I was talking to Worms, but I'll take that as a "no" from you.

You know the filibuster still exists, right?

Kamala

These discussions always focus on bathrooms, but they also mentioned changing rooms and locker rooms. These latter two are a hard stop for me. If you disagree, you don't have a female in your life.

Great to hear, except for the back! You've mentioned her back issues before; that's a bummer. I don't recall the details but would be interested in hearing (or re-hearing, you might have told me some of it), if you want to PM me. If not, no worries.

How is she liking it? I was just down there this week around lunch time for a class in the ASU Health South building (roughly Fillmore/Taylor and 3rd/2nd St). The area seemed quite vibrant, as indicated by me being at a stop sign waiting for all the pedestrians to cross.