jerryskids

I agree with you that he is advocating for women to stay at home and raise their kids. Where I think we differ is I don't think he is suggesting that women walk out of the auditorium and marry the first guy they run into. There will be some amount of time between now and having babies. I also disagree with the word "shaming." It is all positive words about motherhood and his wife. He never says anything to shame them IMO. On a slightly different topic, here was another dumb thing to say at a commencement: No, the majority are not excited about that at this phase of their lives. I don't think that is "shaming" though.

Adding to what I said to Gutter: the "diabolical lie" is that a woman will be happy if she stays working even though their family doesn't need it. We can debate this, but I don't think he was telling them they should never have gone to college. If that is your interpretation, then yeah, that would be extra bad at a commencement.

I wouldn't have used that phrasing. Also, I've stated that the message should have been about having the flexibility to do what the family needs, with priority toward the children. Also also, I've stated earlier in this thread how my wife got pressure, as a female engineer, to stay with her career.

How so? The part up to her going back to work seems consistent with his thinking, and he lacks the life experience to anticipate what I laid out. I would be surprised if he had an issue with it, though.

Thanks. Yeah, I hit the lottery with her. No hot sister, tho.

If you continue to assert what my opinion is, I think we've moved past sarcasm to an actual attack, no? I've repeatedly said that it was not the time or place for Butker to make those comments. I also proposed a better way for him to get across what I believe to be his point. I gave a personal life example as well. No, I'm not equating them, inasmuch as being a pedo is worse than thinking women don't know better. So I guess the sarcasm line is somewhere between those two?

That's exactly what I said in the post you quoted. Some people argue that a lack of caring is worse than a strong emotion like hate. Regardless, it's a terrible message to tell a group of graduates. The message should be "while there are still some obstacles out there, you guys are prepared to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And you are all out of bubblegum!" In other words, positive in their ability to overcome whatever life throws at them. Also I agree with you on your last paragraph. Bubblegum reference:

Misrepresenting my position is not witty and smart. Or is it witty and smart to call someone a pedo because they support young girls twerking in the street and drag queen shows for kids? I wonder if I can find some posts of yours taking offense to being called a pedo.

One quick search:

I never said that, liar.

You don't read his posts, but respond to him in attempted gotchas at me multiple times a day?

I already admitted that. So I guess we are talking apathy (lack of love) vs. hatred? You have no problem with the POTUS telling graduates that the country they love does not love them back in equal measure?

What's that? Picking one thing out of a speech?

I had to look it up. Short answer is: kinda, maybe, if you can make it work. https://relevantradio.com/2019/09/should-catholic-moms-stay-at-home-not-necessarily/#:~:text=“The Church does not teach,home to make ends meet. That same link also calls for fathers to be engaged with their families, as Butker did in his speech. The above is not an official statement from the Church of course.

Yet you called me out. Seriously, what's happened to you? You used to be smart and witty. Now you troll around supporting a 60 IQ reject from FBGs. I made the mistake of engaging with BeachBlade by telling him, rightfully so, that his analogy sucked. Like I said earlier, he is a yip yip special needs dog who just keeps spewing shiot thinking that volume of diarrhea makes him correct. I'll think hard about it in the future. I'm going to respond to @TimHauck because we are having an adult conversation, then I'm moving on because I have some things to do. As opposed to, apparently, a VP of corporate finance for a large company. Carry on.

True. Here were his exact words: You win, it's much better.

That was in response to him calling me a chick. Are you extra dense today?

A man, when shown that his analogy sucked, would have said something like "yeah, that wasn't great, I only did it as part of being a pseud and desperately needing to feel that my Leftie clique is superior to others. But my other points still stand." Then I could have chosen to discuss your other points. Instead, you argued that a Trad Catholic talking to Catholics is a perfect analogy to an atheist talking to a Christian college, then spew a bunch of other stuff like a chick does in an argument.

I argue like a chick? One of us took a comment about your analogy sucking and threw a bunch of shiot at the wall hoping something would stick. That, my lady, is how a chick argues.

Should I ask Gutter for his PROOF that all of the women in the audience hated it? Hmm... yup...

I literally responded only to your analogy, and that threw you into this ongoing tizzy where you are spewing diarrhea from your fingers yet again, BeachBlade. Hmm... yup...

All of them? Or that one TikTok video. Didn't she say something about 10 of them not clapping, or walking out? I forget exactly. But my impression was that most of the people in the audience applauded.

Ehhh... again, I think he could have done it better. Instead of coming off as "you should" he could have been more "I hope you become open to, if not now, then later in life." I think my story is a great example. My wife graduated, got a job, we met at work. We mutually decided for her to stay home with the kids. Much later we had some financial issues, and the kids were older, and she went back to work. Now, I've retired because of my cancer and she is our primary earner. Her college education gave her the flexibility to focus on career or family based on our situation. That IMO is true feminism, true freedom for a woman.

Many Catholics disagree with the Pope and want a more conservative Church, not just Trad Catholics. It's been in the news and everything just this week. https://www.newsweek.com/pope-risks-fury-conservative-bishops-border-comments-1902520 Trad Catholic talking to Catholics is like atheist talking to a Christian school. Perfect analogy. SMH Yip yip. Hmm... yup...