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Yep on the first part. We actually did a summer getaway in Strawberry about 20 years ago, when our kids were younger. IIRC it was somewhat of a climb up the Rim so a noticeable elevation increase from Payson. Otherwise I don't really remember much about it, including a spring, which sounds nice. I'm not aware of it's status tho.

It's a great place. The sheer diversity of climate and geology between the places we are discussing (eg., Flag vs. Sedona vs. Painted Desert and Moab, not to mention the Canyon) is amazing, all a few hours away. I try to explain to people from the east. "But I love the trees!" Yeah, trees are nice, and there are lots in Flag and thereabouts. But they have a way of blocking your view. Here the view is usually as far as the eye can see, often with spectacular scenery.

I thought about suggesting Moab, or Zion. Wife and I hiked Angel's Landing in Zion in the morning, grabbed lunch in the town, then drove all the way back to Phoenix in the afternoon. Which is to say it is certainly doable in a round trip day from Flag, but I'd probably plan to spend the night. I haven't been to Moab, that's on my list. I have in mind a loop that goes from Winslow to Santa Fe/Los Alamos, then up through Durango (we've got neighbors/friends with a place there) to Moab, then back through Monument Valley. Or maybe a smaller loop that skips NM and goes up through Chinlee. Anyway, I haven't mapped it out obviously. A lot of this depends on how active/into hiking and outdoor exploring he is.

I don't know very much about Flagstaff specifically, but I'll add a few things. - I heard recently that the drive from Flagstaff to Sedona on 89A is spectacular. - Sedona is beautiful -- lots of hiking, red rocks, shopping, tours if you don't want to hike. It's also pretty busy though; I'd schedule that during the week if possible. - I was just in the Cottonwood/Jerome area, about 30 minutes SW of Sedona. Lots of wineries there with very good wine; you can schedule tours from Sedona. Also a cool train ride through the Verde Canyon; each car has plush seats and its own bar. https://verdecanyonrr.com/ - If time allows you might consider a jaunt east on I40 to the NE part of the state. Painted desert, Winslow. - Some day soon I'll check out Williams which is west on I40. My son's GF's family owns some property there, so we want to scope it out. There is a wildlife park there called Bearizona (heh heh) which is supposedly cool -- bears walk right up to your car, allegedly. https://bearizona.com/ Just make sure you don't fall in love with our state and stay; we get enough whackadoodle Blue voters from Cali.

TDS is a religion to @Pimpadeaux. His persistent use of such dehumanizing words as Clownzo and Magaturd are, in a way, similar to @weepawspersistent bumping of his Bible thread. The difference being that weepaws does it in the name of an actual religion, he uses Bible quotes instead of insults, and I respect his persistence at it. Pimpadeaux will laugh smugly at this comment, because he knows he is on the side of right. As has been the position of every religious zealot in the history of mankind.

I think you are starting to understand incentives; let's play this scenario out. If Mexico doesn't treat these people well, fewer of them will attempt it. We'll begin the process of identifying the people who are fleeing for their lives, instead of the people who just want a one-way trip to the US because their home country sucks (as it has for generations, in most cases). What do we call those people fleeing for their lives... wait for it... asylum seekers! Actual asylum seekers. Many of whom should be happy for asylum in Mexico, because it's better than being dead.

To what, exactly, does Mexico need to agree? This is a great example of proper incentives. They let all of these people into their country because they said they are going to the US -- Mexico smiled and pointed out the quickest road to the US border. Mexico let them into Mexico; that doesn't mean we need to let them into the US. What's Mexico going to do about it? I'll tell you what... they'll start cracking down on people crossing THEIR border.

Remain in Mexico is beautiful in a way similar to shipping them to blue cities/states. All of a sudden, Mexico is much more interested in processing them as they come into their country, instead of just pointing them towards the US border. Liberals don't understand incentives or consequences, however.

What concessions? Or is that what VOA told you?

Certainly if you look at the top coaches all time in any pro sport, or D1 football and basketball, the ranks are not filled with former all stars and HOFers. I probably personally experienced it the most in the martial arts, where the first thing students brag about is "my sensei is a world champ!" OK... how is he at teaching? Does he understand the work involved to succeed, or does he just say "break board." When I did TKD, our chief master was, quite honestly, not the toughest of guys. But he was really smart, an engineer by training who decided to pursue a life passion. He went on to get a PhD in education. He wasn't the greatest martial artist, but he was very analytical, and very good at breaking down movements and finding areas to improve. He actually makes most of his money these days contracting with other studios to teach them how to teach. And teaching them how to run a business, which most of them suck at, but that's a different topic.

Rusty likes to dehumanize a former POTUS with derogatory nicknames. It's part of what makes him morally superior to the rest of us.

Doesn't matter. Biden is proposing it, and it probably has the word "border" in it somewhere. Good enough for Rusty, it should be good enough for all of us center-right conservatives.

Discussion on how HOF players did as coaches. Spoiler: not that well. https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/5mg8vg/how_hall_of_fame_players_did_as_head_coaches/ Being great as a player doesn't translate into being great as a coach. Here is the inverse data: winningest coaches of all time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_head_coach_wins_leaders Mike Ditka at #34 is the first HOF player on the list. Forrest Gregg at #64 is next.

I missed that you selectively quoted part of my post. To these points, yes, to some extent, although it doesn't make you good at it. Certainly not one of the 32 best at it. In hindsight, I should have stuck with the management side of the argument.

Is a woman, I presume. These deceptive thread titles are focking hilarious, aren't they?!

Well you aren't Rusty And you haven't manned up to who you are. So I'm going with pretend centrist Gutter who gets a woody trolling here all day

Wrong. It specifically has to do with lack of talent. Just bow out, Gutter, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Wrong

RiP Herbert Coward, dummy?

Your misleading headlines consistently suck ass.

True, although it depends on the position. Some positions are more cerebral than others. Does playing football teach you how to manage 70-ish elite athletes, and more support staff? Deal with the media, fans, team execs? Are those skills more important than the 40? There used to be an expression: those who can't, teach. The idea was that those who struggled physically understood the work that went into to achieving excellence better than those who were naturally physically gifted. I guess that isn't true anymore.

No, it doesn't make sense. What is it about the ability to run a 4.4 40 directly correlates to coaching acumen?

I'm not sure I see your distinction. Yes, the elites want to reduce YOUR freedoms, but not THEIRS. There are plenty of ways in which their behaviors would skirt reductions in general freedoms. They fly to Davos on private jets, and get into SUV caravans, so that they can meet to discuss restrictions on you in the name of saving the planet. They shut down the public schools during Covid, but their kids still got educated. They shut down the economy, but they still got expensive dinners and salon jobs (not trying to pick on Cali Dems here, just things that leapt to my mind).

Thanks for the response. I would argue that several items in the OP are examples of luxury beliefs and environmentalism. Outlawing gas stoves is of little importance to the rich; they can get the latest induction cooktops (which rock btw!). Same with gas cars: they can go buy a Tesla or other electric cars. There are other luxury beliefs which Henderson describes in earlier works, things like single parenthood. White liberal elite women are at the forefront of pushing for it, but statistically, they tend to not actually BE single parents: they get married and raise traditional families. LGBTQ rights are somewhat by definition luxury beliefs. As I've stated here before, third-world countries don't have the luxury of such beliefs, as they need people to have lots of babies because many of those die and those who don't are needed to work the farm, much like in the US 100+ years ago. That doesn't make those beliefs bad per se, but they are indeed reserved for cultures with the luxury to support them. As to whether or not you should care, that's up to you of course. But these are the people who generally set policy, and they don't like you having freedoms:

Hates America. Don't know why.