TimHauck

That there are videos of shots being fired in the direction of aid seekers that don’t show who’s doing the shooting

No I’m not saying that if you can’t see who’s doing the shooting that someone definitely got shot

Israel wouldn’t even allow journalists to video Gaza from above during aid drops

There are tons of videos of the aftermath of killings, and of course videos where you can’t see who’s doing the shooting. But I know you think that means it’s Hamas doing it. But maybe people don’t like to stick around when there’s shooting going on?

My take is that it reads to me like the author admitted Israel is intentionally restricting aid. I found a few other quotes interesting. For example, this isn’t ideal: I’ve heard from journalists, pundits, even members of Congress—who all support Israel and believe in its fundamental decency—that they have been unable to get any meaningful answers from Israeli officials. I also thought it was noteworthy that she at least acknowledges that “too many Gazans have died.” One part I disagree with is this: “Consider: If Hamas holds out and refuses a ceasefire, it will get a Palestinian state recognition from the United Kingdom. If it agrees to a ceasefire, it won’t get that recognition. In other words, the British prime minister just incentivized Hamas to continue the war.“ You and I both know that the west isn’t going to allow Hamas to be involved in a Palestinian state. So to say Hamas is incentivized by that potential is silly IMO.

Wait you think outside journalists are free to move around Gaza? They’re not, they can only be escorted by the IDF and are not allowed to interact with Palestinian civilians. It’s really only Palestinian journalists there, which gives people like you a convenient excuse to say all those people are Hamas. https://www.timesofisrael.com/foreign-journalists-step-up-push-for-access-to-gaza-express-fear-for-hungry-colleagues/

Never said that, liar.

@jerryskids, why do you think this is?

No, they are not “duly elected” at this point, considering a majority of the people there probably weren’t even born the last time they won an election. Lol at calling me not serious after you compared Netanyahu admitting they’re only providing “minimal aid,” to “fattened calves.” You said “of course Israel is interested in providing minimal aid. They are at war with them.” No, they are not at war with probably 98% of the civilians trying to get the aid. HTH

I didn’t say I believed all their numbers. Thanks for confirming Israel is at war with civilians though.

The fake news lovers really showing themselves in this thread

The company I work for just announced tariff price increases (100% produced in the US but use a small amount of foreign materials). I will say it’s probably true that the end consumer isn’t going to pay for all of it. But they’re going to pay for as much as the companies think they can make them pay. Big corporations like Walmart will be able to squeeze some of it out of the manufacturers, just not the giants like Procter and Gamble, who have also announced upcoming price increases - https://www.masslive.com/news/2025/07/major-toilet-paper-laundry-detergent-company-to-raise-prices-soon-over-tariffs.html).

Says the guy calling me the “ultimate troll,” lol

Also, it wasn’t “every Republican in Congress,” it was just a committee. Then vote was 8-7.

I was surprised it took this long for Paul Pelosi’s “gay lover” to come up…

One thing that might help get more accurate information of what’s actually happening out to the people is allowing journalists into Gaza. But Israel won’t allow that. Weird.

Step 1. It’s not widespread I don’t recall posting a different sand dune video, maybe someone else did. And that was 2 guys talking to each other, maybe only 1 did the shooting but the other was celebrating it. I used the slash because the other whistleblowers have said it was not just the GHF contractors. I’d agree with RealTim. Hamas is more than 51% responsible, but not 95%. Maybe about 66% if we’re talking about the aid specifically and don’t get into semantics of “it’s 100% Hamas’s fault there is a war at all!” There’s additional nuance in the sense that I think there was more aid ultimately getting to Gazans previously, but some of it may have been first stolen by Hamas then sold at an upcharge to the people. Did you see Netanyahu specifically admit Israel was only providing “minimal” aid? I suppose you’ll go back to “the UN can still deliver trucks but they don’t want to because the IDF wants to escort them but the UN wants to give it to Hamas.” I wouldn’t say that’s the only potential reason they might not want to be escorted by the IDF. If the reports are true of the IDF shooting aid seekers, they might think the IDF being there could cause confrontation which then puts them in additional danger. That’s described in this article, which also points out that “criminal gangs” (not necessarily Hamas), have also stolen the aid. https://apnews.com/article/aid-gaza-hunger-united-nations-e703faaaba945e838aabfb3c7fa32d70

C’mon Jerry, the “sand dune” video included clear audio of people saying “woohoo! I think you got one!” There have also been multiple whistleblowers from within the IDF and the US contractors that have acknowledged civilians at aid sites being shot. For the record, I think it probably was Hamas in the trucks. But there is more evidence that the IDF/GHF contractors are shooting civilians at aid sites, than that Hamas was driving those trucks.

Like RealTim said, there are no Hamas apologists here. But if we were to play by your rules, how do we know the people driving the trucks are Hamas? I’m sure there are still regular old criminals in Gaza too.

I did not start the thread, Gutter did. You were accusing him of calling out Republicans as “worse.” Since he is generally considered here to be on the left, by calling him out I’d argue you were calling out his “side.” But since you’re listening, are you going to answer in the Hamas thread to provide the source of your claim that 15-25% of Muslims are radical, as well as what the definition of radical is? Thanks in advance.

Bump for @Nomad99

You said “both sides bad, but here’s why the side I don’t like is worse.” i.e, exactly what you’re accusing Gutter of doing

What was I triggered by? All I did was point out that he called out both sides. Meanwhile multiple posters continue to complain about what they think his “intent” was

Wait, are you claiming this wasn’t a deflection?

Good lord the righties here are triggered today