TimHauck

That’s far more similar to what Trump did, mainly lying about income. The main difference is that Trump actually paid back the loan. The Jon Stewart thing has no similarities at all.

Are you suggesting Trump’s actions didn’t break any laws (and yes I know this is a civil case)? I know that there are other people doing similar things (but not “everyone” like @RLLD says, which is ridiculous), but it still doesn’t make it right. I wish there was someone better to vote for in this election, but Biden is so bad that I’ll still vote for Trump for the third time in spite of him being a serial liar.

Again, not even remotely similar to what Trump did. Here is an example of someone not named Donald Trump being convicted for lying on a mortgage application - https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/loan-fraud-defendant-s-lies-and-false-documents-qualify-him-five-years-prison

To be clear, your claim is that “everyone” does the following?

He did not. Your obvious bias is showing.

Confirm what exactly? I said Biden made it worse. That doesn’t mean “he inherited a good economy.” And to be clear that wasn’t Trump’s fault, it was covid’s.

No, he did not. This is proven, and not just with random videos of people being interviewed.

That’s quite the backtrack from what you said earlier (which of course was wrong):

What, the part where she said “law abiding citizens have nothing to worry about”? Focking dumbazz

There is nothing wrong with what you describe in your second paragraph, as long as the seller was not lying about what he was selling. That is how the market works, that’s what Jon Stewart did. Do you at least agree what Trump did is not remotely similar to Jon Stewart simply selling his house for the market value?

Yeah I take that back. If people put on their listing that a house was 3x as big as it really was, and someone paid a price with that in mind, yes that is fraud.

Yeah so there’s not really evidence either way. We know his bank account paid the money, and we should be able to find out if he’s the one who made the bets. Which I agree is unlikely to be him. But IMO there’s similar plausibility to both it being theft and the original story that he paid Mizuhara’s debt

To be fair, I’m not sure if it’s clear there were 9 transactions of $500k. I believe it was just stated there were at least 2, and that Mizuhara says he was $4.5 million in debt

If people were buying them at those prices, they were not overvaluing them.

What you “called out as a problem” was willing buyers paying what the free market determined to be the market price. Lol, it is not normal to say that your house is 3x bigger than it really is on official paperwork. Maybe if you’re drinking some Bud Light with Kid Rock in a bar or something.

It’s not normal to lie and say your house is 3x bigger than it really is, or to lie and say your apartments aren’t rent-controlled when they really are, or to lie about the number of units that can be built, or to lie about what the property can be used for.

That doesn’t answer my question though. We’re supposed to believe his spokesman made a public statement about it, and Ohtani didn’t know what was going on for like 36 hours until a team meeting? btw here’s a better timeline of Ohtani’s story without the fluff of that slate piece https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/newsletter/2024-03-27/shohei-ohtani-interpreter-dodgers-dugout

Besides Ohtani’s statements and Mizuhara’s changed ones, what evidence is there that it was not the original story of Ohtani paying Mizuhara’s debts?

No. I prefer data to random interviews.

The point remains, tax value was only mentioned regarding Mar a Lago, so just one of many properties, and even when it was, the focus was more on the fact that Trump was valuing it as a personal residence when it could not have been. Plus, mentioning the tax value was actually called out (by CNN even!) when it happened as not being reflective of market value - https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/business/trump-fraud-judge-mar-a-lago/index.html Probably why it was not included in the final decision. While the judge screwed up mentioning it at all, the tax value was clearly a negligible part of the case, not “much” of it like you claimed.

Yup, it’s ridiculous to single out Jon Stewart because of the natural result of the real estate market. But what Trump did had nothing to do with the natural result of the real estate market.

You presented links to some randos getting interviewed, that’s not “proof.”

1) I pretty much answered the question in my reply to @Engorgeous George. But it’s still wrong and not even remotely similar to what Jon Stewart “did.” 2) Didn’t you post the link to the 92 page document when you were talking with @The Real timschochet ? But OK, here ya go, as I stated the Mar a Lago piece is on page 67, where the focus is more on Trump valuing it as a personal residence when it is not able to be used as a personal residence https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/decisions/trump-decision.pdf 3) You said MUCH of James’s case was based on tax valuations, which is clearly not true. Even in the document you shared, there were sections for 6 other properties (Trump Tower Triplex, Seven Springs Estate, Trump Park Avenue, 40 Wall Street, Aberdeen, US Golf Clubs). Mar a Lago was the only one that mentioned a tax appraisal, which once again was not included in the final decision. Clearly it wasn’t much of her argument, this case is not even remotely similar to Jon Stewart selling a property for higher than the tax value. You’re wrong.

As it should have been…

Never said you did. But apparently @Strike and much of right wing twitter are