adam smitty 0 Posted May 26, 2004 Smitty gives up 1.4 8.93 and 40th rookie pick Jwood deals 2.20 3.26 and rookie pick 1.11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adam smitty 0 Posted May 26, 2004 confirmed...also, so i have to be accountable in making my own trades in this league Hoos First will be the final "approving or vetoing" voice for my trades Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adam smitty 0 Posted May 26, 2004 Let me post a little reasoning behind this deal... Obviously giving up a first round pick isnt easy, but at the 4 spot i was targetting someone and was almost certain he would be taken and probably would have wanted to trade down on draft day anyhow. So i figured i could get a lot for that pick right now and IMO there will be a lot of guys in the 2nd and 3rd round worth picking. Some mite be concerned that i wont get a #1 rb but i can almost guarantee there will be a legit #1 in round 2 which is why i was able to take this deal. Having 4 picks in rounds 2-3 seems like a huge plus and the extra rookie pick was the sticking point to the deal for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jwood 0 Posted May 26, 2004 I couldn't pass up the opportunity to have 2 premier RBs as an anchor for my team. However, that being said, I can be talked into moving down in the 1st round if the price is right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kilroy 0 Posted May 26, 2004 I couldn't pass up the opportunity to have 2 premier RBs as an anchor for my team. That's gonna be hard to beat. Your second rounder just became the 4th overall pick so all you really lost was a third round pick and the 11th pick in the rookie draft. I think Jwood got the better end of this one and it will pay off rather well, losing a third and a rookie pick is a small price to pay for the 4th overall. At the same time, I can see why Smitty made the deal, quantity over quality isn't a bad way to go, but it all depends on how valuable that 1.4 pick is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adam smitty 0 Posted May 26, 2004 I couldn't pass up the opportunity to have 2 premier RBs as an anchor for my team. I think Jwood got the better end of this one and it will pay off rather well I thought that would be the opinion on here, IMO jwood is in a really great situation right now with the pair of deals that he has pulled. However, i plan on using my superb drafting skills to more than make up for my loss of a first round pick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CA_7 0 Posted May 26, 2004 I think Jwood got the better end of this one and it will pay off rather well, losing a third and a rookie pick is a small price to pay for the 4th overall. don't forget Jwood gave up his 2nd as well... Both owners are in pretty unique spots, one has 1.4 and 1.5 (esp with me at 1.6 ) and the other could own the late 2nd & early 3rd rounds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kilroy 0 Posted May 27, 2004 I gotta admit that after looking at it a little closer I can see how Smitty may have made out on this deal. I probally would've looked for another pick from the vet draft instead of swapping those rookie picks, but Jwod may not have gotten as much of an upperhand as I thought when I first looked at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adam smitty 0 Posted May 27, 2004 I gotta admit that after looking at it a little closer I can see how Smitty may have made out on this deal. I probally would've looked for another pick from the vet draft instead of swapping those rookie picks, but Jwod may not have gotten as much of an upperhand as I thought when I first looked at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jwood 0 Posted May 27, 2004 I gotta admit that after looking at it a little closer I can see how Smitty may have made out on this deal. I probally would've looked for another pick from the vet draft instead of swapping those rookie picks, but Jwod may not have gotten as much of an upperhand as I thought when I first looked at it. Look at it this way...I only lost a 3rd round pick out of this deal and my 2 starting running backs in a 12 team league are probably be some combo of the following: Clinton Portis Ahman Green Shaun Alexander Deuce McAllister Their production, including reception points, is gonna make up for any receiver I probably would have drafted in the 3rd round. I also have 2 fifth round picks this year to help ease the sting of losing the 3rd rounder. I can still get some pretty good WR/QB talent with those picks. Hell, I'm not done trading yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jwood 0 Posted May 27, 2004 don't forget Jwood gave up his 2nd as well... The way I look at it is I just moved my 2nd rounder up to the 1st. I'll still have the same # of players after 2 rounds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kilroy 0 Posted May 28, 2004 Look at it this way...I only lost a 3rd round pick out of this deal and my 2 starting running backs in a 12 team league are probably be some combo of the following: Clinton Portis Ahman Green Shaun Alexander Deuce McAllister Their production, including reception points, is gonna make up for any receiver I probably would have drafted in the 3rd round. I also have 2 fifth round picks this year to help ease the sting of losing the 3rd rounder. I can still get some pretty good WR/QB talent with those picks. Hell, I'm not done trading yet. You don't need to explain that to me, I would've made the same deal you made in a heart beat. I said the same thing you just did, your second round pick just became the 4th overall, all you really lost in this deal was a third round pick and a 1st RD rookie pick. IMO, Smitty should have asked for more, but I can see why he was willing to make that trade. The big thing is what he gets with your rookie pick. If it was me, I would've asked for one of your two 5th round picks, but if he feels the #11 pick in the rookie draft is more valuable than it makes more sense for him to do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jwood 0 Posted May 28, 2004 Look at it this way...I only lost a 3rd round pick out of this deal and my 2 starting running backs in a 12 team league are probably be some combo of the following: Clinton Portis Ahman Green Shaun Alexander Deuce McAllister Their production, including reception points, is gonna make up for any receiver I probably would have drafted in the 3rd round. I also have 2 fifth round picks this year to help ease the sting of losing the 3rd rounder. I can still get some pretty good WR/QB talent with those picks. Hell, I'm not done trading yet. You don't need to explain that to me, I would've made the same deal you made in a heart beat. I said the same thing you just did, your second round pick just became the 4th overall, all you really lost in this deal was a third round pick and a 1st RD rookie pick. IMO, Smitty should have asked for more, but I can see why he was willing to make that trade. The big thing is what he gets with your rookie pick. If it was me, I would've asked for one of your two 5th round picks, but if he feels the #11 pick in the rookie draft is more valuable than it makes more sense for him to do that. I wasn't thrilled about giving up my rookie pick, but at #11 all the "sure fire" players are gone. All of the RBs worth a damn will be gone, and the elite receivers in this deep class will be gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kilroy 0 Posted May 28, 2004 I wasn't thrilled about giving up my rookie pick, but at #11 all the "sure fire" players are gone. All of the RBs worth a damn will be gone, and the elite receivers in this deep class will be gone. That's why I would've pushed for one of your two 5th rounders instead of taking the rookie pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adam smitty 0 Posted May 28, 2004 Look at it this way...I only lost a 3rd round pick out of this deal and my 2 starting running backs in a 12 team league are probably be some combo of the following: Clinton Portis Ahman Green Shaun Alexander Deuce McAllister Their production, including reception points, is gonna make up for any receiver I probably would have drafted in the 3rd round. I also have 2 fifth round picks this year to help ease the sting of losing the 3rd rounder. I can still get some pretty good WR/QB talent with those picks. Hell, I'm not done trading yet. You don't need to explain that to me, I would've made the same deal you made in a heart beat. I said the same thing you just did, your second round pick just became the 4th overall, all you really lost in this deal was a third round pick and a 1st RD rookie pick. IMO, Smitty should have asked for more, but I can see why he was willing to make that trade. The big thing is what he gets with your rookie pick. If it was me, I would've asked for one of your two 5th round picks, but if he feels the #11 pick in the rookie draft is more valuable than it makes more sense for him to do that. I wasn't thrilled about giving up my rookie pick, but at #11 all the "sure fire" players are gone. All of the RBs worth a damn will be gone, and the elite receivers in this deep class will be gone. Dont be too sure about that...the 11th pick in this years rookie draft has a lot of value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites