Force of Two 0 Posted May 9, 2006 or anyone else can comment...is this guy going to be sharing carries all year, biding his time to take over from Barlow, or is there a chance he could be the feature back? I like him as a 4th-5th back on my team if I can get him where I want him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 9, 2006 at this point, it's dicey at best. I've heard that Nolan is high on Barlow. Barlow performed pretty well last season with a terrible team around him, and even played through injury. He was also an excellent receiver out of the backfield. Gore is a great change of pace, but I don't know how well he could handle an increased workload - he is running on two bionic knees and injured his shoulder last year. Then there's the QB-WR-RB they drafted in the 4th. The report I just read out of Niners camp said they worked him out at RB, and he looked like he'd been a 4 year starter at the position in college - a real natural, with power and speed. So who the hell knows - could be the mother of all RBBCs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Force of Two 0 Posted May 9, 2006 at this point, it's dicey at best. I've heard that Nolan is high on Barlow. Barlow performed pretty well last season with a terrible team around him, and even played through injury. He was also an excellent receiver out of the backfield. Gore is a great change of pace, but I don't know how well he could handle an increased workload - he is running on two bionic knees and injured his shoulder last year. Then there's the QB-WR-RB they drafted in the 4th. The report I just read out of Niners camp said they worked him out at RB, and he looked like he'd been a 4 year starter at the position in college - a real natural, with power and speed. So who the hell knows - could be the mother of all RBBCs. thanks...I knew you would give me a good answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 0 Posted May 9, 2006 my suggestion is avoid all 49ers if possible. Vernon Davis is the only player I might consider off that team. Every year there are those 2 or 3 teams that are complete fantasy blackholes. I think its San Fran and Buffalo this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 9, 2006 thanks...I knew you would give me a good answer. (might not be a correct answer though.. ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Carcuss 0 Posted May 9, 2006 my suggestion is avoid all 49ers if possible. Vernon Davis is the only player I might consider off that team. Every year there are those 2 or 3 teams that are complete fantasy blackholes. I think its San Fran and Buffalo this year. V. Davis will get some yardage and one of those RBs may have a decent game or two during the course of the season but that team is going to be a complete fantasy wasteland. The Bills have twice the talent at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 9, 2006 V. Davis will get some yardage and one of those RBs may have a decent game or two during the course of the season but that team is going to be a complete fantasy wasteland. Completely disagree. Davis is likely to get far more than just "some yardage" considering they will likely still be playing from behind a lot, and the fact that he has game-breaking ability. Between he, Eric Johnson, Battle & Bryant, Smith finally has some reliable targets. Plus behind a vastly improved O-Line, Smith may actually have time to complete some passes to them. Vernon Davis was taken to be a focal point of that offense, will create mismatches anywhere he lines up, and yet you seem to think he'll only be good for "some yardage"? I can live with that though...it's the following I'd like clarification on, because honestly far too many people at this site make blanket generalizations without every backing them up with substance - that is something I take issue with. The Bills have twice the talent at this point. So by all means: please quantify this statement. Are you saying Lohsman is a better QB than Alex Smith? Do they have a better defense? Do they have better WRs? O-Line? Can you even name 10 players on the Bills? By all accounts, the Niners had a grade "A" draft and the Bills a grade "D-" draft... By all means - enlighten us as to how the Bills have "twice the talent" as the Niners. I'm all ears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Savage Beast 1 Posted May 9, 2006 Are you saying Lohsman is a better QB than Alex Smith? Comparing these 2 QB's is like saying which smells better, horse crap or dog crap? Both smell like s*!+. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 9, 2006 thanks...I knew you would give me a good answer. FYI, this is one of the blurbs I'd read about the 4th round "project" pick: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...SPGH1IN6561.DTL A buzz surrounded running back Michael Robinson, the fourth-round selection and former Penn State quarterback. He ran with authority and economy as if he'd been a running back forever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Carcuss 0 Posted May 9, 2006 Completely disagree. Davis is likely to get far more than just "some yardage" considering they will likely still be playing from behind a lot, and the fact that he has game-breaking ability. Between he, Eric Johnson, Battle & Bryant, Smith finally has some reliable targets. Plus behind a vastly improved O-Line, Smith may actually have time to complete some passes to them. Vernon Davis was taken to be a focal point of that offense and you seem to think he'll only be good for "some yardage"? I can live with that though...it's the following I'd like clarification on, because honestly far too many people at this site make blanket generalizations without every backing them up with substance - that is something I take issue with. So by all means: please quantify this statement. Are you saying Lohsman is a better QB than Alex Smith? Do they have a better defense? Do they have better WRs? O-Line? Can you even name 10 players on the Bills? By all accounts, the Niners had a grade "A" draft and the Bills a grade "D-" draft... By all means - enlighten us as to how the Bills have "twice the talent" as the Niners. I'm all ears. I could really care less about either team and don't feel the need to have a in depth discussion about the two worst teams in the NFL! Saying the Bills "have twice the talent" was a JOKE! Maybe they only have 32.4% more talent then the 49ers so I guess you "got me" From a fantasy prespective the Bills have a better options other then at the TE position. Period. Alex Smith looks like a bust and has done NOTHING to prove he is better then Losman or any one else for that matter. McGahee is a better option then the Barlow and Gore RBBC, etc.... If you are a 49ers fan, I feel bad for you but don't take it out on me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 9, 2006 Comparing these 2 QB's is like saying which smells better, horse crap or dog crap? Both smell like s*!+. Be that as it may, the jury's still out on Alex Smith, and whether he will develop as a quality QB or not. It's way too premature to judge, especially based on the craptastic team around him in his 1st season. But to say that "the Bills have twice the talent" as the Niners is IMO idiotic, and requires some sort of supporting commentary - at the very least. I'm so tired of the neo-intellectual 1 liner retorts around here with jack fockall to back them up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joe Carcuss 0 Posted May 9, 2006 Comparing these 2 QB's is like saying which smells better, horse crap or dog crap? Both smell like s*!+. Exactly. Not even worth discussing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted May 9, 2006 I could really care less about either team and don't feel the need to have a in depth discussion about the two worst teams in the NFL! Saying the Bills "have twice the talent" was a JOKE! Maybe they only have 32.4% more talent then the 49ers so I guess you "got me" Nice cop out - you know, it's been said that it is better to have people think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. In this case that suits you perfectly. You were "joking" eh? In other words, you just posted to harass Niner fans about a subject you know nothing about, using a statement about another team you know nothing about to support it. Nice. By the way, you might want to see what rushing numbers the Bills put up Vs the Niners RBBC last year - you might be surprised at the result. And labeling a rookie QB on a bad team a bust, eh? Welcome to the bandwagon...some people prefer thinking for themselves, but I understand if you enjoy being a lemming. Hey, look - a cliff! run little lemming, run! you know, probably better to just not post next time - that way you preserve what little credibility you have around here. At least us Niner fans bring a little knowledge to the table when we post about something. You know, this topic was about the RB situation, and the original poster asking us Niner fans our opinions. Maybe if you read more and posted less you'd actually learn something other than how to be a distraction to those attempting to gain knowledge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ilov80s 0 Posted May 9, 2006 Ladies, lets relax. The 49ers and Bills are both garbage. Lets not waste our time debating garbage teams. Instead, lets talk about the Lion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Savage Beast 1 Posted May 9, 2006 Ladies, lets relax. The 49ers and Bills are both garbage. Lets not waste our time debating garbage teams. Instead, lets talk about the Lion. I agree. Let's talk about the great teams like the Lions, Saints, and the Texans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted May 9, 2006 Let's talk about ff possibilities on the 49er's. They have guys I wouldn't hesitate drafting deep-i mean deep in a 12 teamer. For sure some value picks Barlow - yes I would swoop him up if he's there in the 7th round possibly the 6th Gore- might have to be after the 10th but still draftable Bryant - 10th round or later but not bad at all for a 5th wr Battle- probably a pick up on the ww Davis - this guy might even be taken too early - if you have to start a te he's gone before the 10th round Smith - possibly a backup qb - all I want is my qb to score 2 td's on average a game - nothing special and he should be catching up in a lot of games. I could see him with 20+ td's and that ain't all bad for my #2. I think the 49er's have some ffplayers worth drafting - IMO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdswan922 0 Posted May 9, 2006 all I want is my qb to score 2 td's on average a game - nothing special... That is all? Only 32 TDs? You know how many QBs did that last season? 1, Carson Palmer. Yes even the great Peyton Manning fell short with 28. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted May 10, 2006 That is all? Only 32 TDs? You know how many QBs did that last season? 1, Carson Palmer. Yes even the great Peyton Manning fell short with 28. Let me rephrase then - I hope for my Qb to get 2 td's IN a game - not manning where you are hoping for 3. Yes your comment is right sorry. I want/wish/hope for 2 that's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ER MAN 0 Posted May 10, 2006 I could really care less about either team and don't feel the need to have a in depth discussion about the two worst teams in the NFL! Saying the Bills "have twice the talent" was a JOKE! Maybe they only have 32.4% more talent then the 49ers so I guess you "got me" From a fantasy prespective the Bills have a better options other then at the TE position. Period. Alex Smith looks like a bust and has done NOTHING to prove he is better then Losman or any one else for that matter. McGahee is a better option then the Barlow and Gore RBBC, etc.... If you are a 49ers fan, I feel bad for you but don't take it out on me! I just love when people say after one year that a QB is a bust! Granted, Smith didn't do a lot of good things last year, but how many rookie QB's light it up? Eli stunk in 2004 and turned the corner last year. Look I'm not saying Smith will become Peyton, but as long as I see him some progress I'll be happy. I'm thinking he'll throw somewhere between 15-18 TD's and about 20 INT's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Montana_god 0 Posted May 10, 2006 I have to beleieve that Smith will impress a lot of folks this year - just the last couple of games last year I remember us completing a couple of passes - Also if he can stay healthy I think Gore steals the starting job in preseason - I would draft him as a 3rd RB if it we're today - Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LunaTick 30 Posted May 10, 2006 I saw the subject and my response is this. He will not take the states of Florida nor Tennessee. One will result in controversy and the other no one much cares about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ratbastard1 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Of course this is a question that cant be answered yet, however if one were to draft today... In my 5 keeper 10 teamer here's where i would project the players at hand: McGehee - keeper late 6th (our 1st) or early 7th-VDavis. 7th - Gore/Barlow, whomever looks like the starter,if Gore by far he might go late 6th if its Barlow they both go in the 7th. Late 7th - Lee Evens (he might be a steal) ASmith and Losman will be drafted later as #3 QBs and Smith will go earlier than Losman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9-Route 0 Posted May 10, 2006 the niners still want to run the ball. they brought in jennings(T) and paid him $30 million or so. they have had some good games with a 1-2 hb punch. furthermore, i recall nolan liking gore because he was familiar with hbs who had returned from knee injury and done well. gore was said to be very skilled technique wise as a runner, and averaged a high ypc his last yr at miami despite not being 100% healthy. nolan was believed to feel strongly about gore returning fully healthy and taking his game up a few notches. i agree that vdavis will be a big in their offense. if eric johnson can snare 80balls, this guy can surely do so. they will deploy him all over the formation to get him isolated and put the ball in his hands; plus, he has the physique to handle the multiple contact that comes with lots of catches. even the best fantasy wastelands produce some stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites