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here are my quick opinions

 

1- i prefer qbs at 4 points for passing tds over 6...the value of passing qbs really takes a much more prominent role getting 6 for every strike

 

2- no bonuses for yardage...all other scoring rules look okay except.....

 

3- punt and kick returns should not go to the defense....once the ball is kicked past the line of scrimmage the opposing team then goes on offense...therefore the creidt should go to individual players..for blocked kicks and punts that don't travel past the line of scrimmage returned for scores that should go to the def/sp teams

 

4- starting lineups should be in by kickoff...yahoo locks rosters at kickoffs so you can't make any changes to players playing at that designated time

 

5- i don't really care about divisions...i think it should be the top 4 teams making the playoffs with the a 4 team consolation playoff and 4 teams staying at home...i know yahoo doesn't do divisions...not sure about espn

 

6- i've got a site we can do a slow draft ( maybe 8 hour time limit or so suspended for late night hours )...would take a few weeks but it would be more feasuble for guys with many different schedules for the summer months...once the teams are drafted you can transfer them to our league once the site opens for business for 2006...i know yahoo doesn't allow drafts until they open for business sometime in july..have no clue about espn but i would think the same thing...out of respect for mike krueger i'll e-mail you the site so you can check it out.....or we can talk about it on aol instant messenger if you have that

 

I agree with qb's getting 4 points for a td

 

I disagree with #3 - I've always enjoyed def/st getting the points for a return td or blocked punt td - I could also go with st/def getting the points PLUS the individual getting 6 points (dante Hall gets 6 pts for td and KC def/sp get 6 points - then again that makes steve smith go even Higher if you get Smith returning a punt return. Scratch the individual getting points - I only like def/special teams receiving the points.

 

The rest look good to me - Like I said earlier though, whatever the rules are I'm good. This will just be fun regardless. You set em' I'll play em!

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I thought everyone so far has said to do a slow draft as we're all in different time zones...

 

and what's the hurry? It's June 1st for christ sakes.

 

yea i understand. but im anxious. i guess i can settle for a slow draft. but if anyone changes their mind, im all for it.

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clash i like everything u suggested except one thing: the slow draft. i like the standard basic draft during one night.

 

One of the reasons we had so much fun with Sweetness' draft is the slow progression.

 

Everyone kept going back and posting their hatred (i mean opinion) of each pick in excruciating detail. No way does a thread get this much interest if the whole thing was laid out in one quick post.

 

Also, no reason to rush it. Hell it's June 1st & I haven't even seen any cap casualty cuts yet.

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I agree with having passing TD's worth only 4 points.....

 

Also...why don't we do the draft live? I know ESPN has that feature. We can do it on a weekend or something and coordinate a time that works for everyone.

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Don't know about you, but I've never drafted a team over several days.

 

It should be fun reasearching your picks one last time before making the pick only to kick yourself for over analyzing the week after.

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Everyone kept going back and posting their hatred (i mean opinion) of each pick in excruciating detail. No way does a thread get this much interest if the whole thing was laid out in one quick post.

 

So this makes me think that we'd have to either

1. post the whole draft after the fact for commentary

2. post the current pick, ALA 34's thread, but with the rule that no one can talk about players not yet drafted.

 

It just wouldn't be right to have someone sitting there targeting Donald Driver at 5.09 (for example) and someone picks Ashley Lelie 5.06 with Driver sitting there...then some random schmuck says, "hey, you shoulda taken Driver" - and then the very next pick is Driver at 5.07 :wall:

 

knowwhatImean?

 

I hate that at real live drafts and I have no less tollerance for it here. So a method of communicating this draft to the FFT unwashed masses will have to be established.

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So this makes me think that we'd have to either

1. post the whole draft after the fact for commentary

2. post the current pick, ALA 34's thread, but with the rule that no one can talk about players not yet drafted.

 

It just wouldn't be right to have someone sitting there targeting Donald Driver at 5.09 (for example) and someone picks Ashley Lelie 5.06 with Driver sitting there...then some random schmuck says, "hey, you shoulda taken Driver" - and then the very next pick is Driver at 5.07 :wall:

 

knowwhatImean?

 

I hate that at real live drafts and I have no less tollerance for it here. So a method of communicating this draft to the FFT unwashed masses will have to be established.

 

 

Yes, I agree, and thats an interesting angle that I really hadnt considered. Maybe we just wont provide an overview of the entire draft, but we can simply update the teams as they progress without a full list of players available. But Sweet was listing guys that were still available and that he was considering, so he was inviting suggestions and commentary. We'll figure it out....

 

Clash...Im with you on most everything you suggest, because Im completely flexible with any scoring format, but what again is your reasoning for 4pts for a passing TD? It overvalues PASSING QBs?? Im not following that. Should we be overvaluing RUNNING QBs?? Im with keeping it simple in the regard that all TDs, whether run, passed or received should just be of the same value. But imo, it skews the QB value scale because Michael Vick for example is liable to run for more TDs than he passes for, and he's otherwise not a top tier QB. I simply favor sticking to the formula that allows us to value QBs relative to their passing skill....after all, they are QBs.

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Solo - pick a couple of dates for all of us to sit on the computer - weekends seem much better - if we all agree on a date its a done deal (this wknd bad 4 me but every other is great).

 

If we all can't agree - pick a date for a slow draft and we can get it going

 

Make a final proposal for scoring, waiver wire pickups, and drafting positions NOT EVEN A PROPOSAL JUST SET THE DANG THING - I think we all have little differences, but by the sound of it, we are willing to do anything once it is set in stone. If we keep asking opinions we will get nowhere like a bunch of chicks squabling :mad: (this is why Hillary clinton can't be president - ohhh another topic). Set the rules, if someone doesn't like it MAhsoonerz + a dozen other alternates would love to jump in.

 

Just do it - (that's for you scooter) :mad:

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Solo - pick a couple of dates for all of us to sit on the computer - weekends seem much better - if we all agree on a date its a done deal (this wknd bad 4 me but every other is great).

 

If we all can't agree - pick a date for a slow draft and we can get it going

 

Make a final proposal for scoring, waiver wire pickups, and drafting positions NOT EVEN A PROPOSAL JUST SET THE DANG THING - I think we all have little differences, but by the sound of it, we are willing to do anything once it is set in stone. If we keep asking opinions we will get nowhere like a bunch of chicks squabling :first: (this is why Hillary clinton can't be president - ohhh another topic). Set the rules, if someone doesn't like it MAhsoonerz + a dozen other alternates would love to jump in.

 

Just do it - (that's for you scooter) :P

 

 

I just registered at Yahoo, and their fantasy football league registrations are available, so Im trying to figure out how their drafts work. Also, so far Ive only run across 10 team league options, but I havent been able to set anything up yet because we havent officially decided on a league name. Thats a starting point. WE NEED A LEAGUE NAME.

 

Im all for, "Sweetness Just Locked Up Last Place with the Chad Pennington Pick", but its kind of long, and doesnt really have much of a ring to it. :D

 

 

Seriously, here's what I want to go with........"The Good, the Bad, and the DUMB" FFLeague. how's that sound, fellas? Ive gathered all the opinions. Im willing to set things in stone. As long as we dont lose anyone because of overwhelming need to use a certain method of scoring. No particular set of rules will favor any one owner more than another. So how about the name, for starters? That'll get us going, and it'll all be downhill from there.

 

 

 

As for the dates, it depends on how Yahoo's league drafts are set up. I dont know yet because I havent been able to move forward because of the name thing. Id like to hold a slow draft on the Yahoo! site, and coordinate to a degree here on the Today site, but like Scoot said, weve got to be careful not to recruit too many helpers for Sweetness34's team. Im all for getting this thing going Monday or Tuesday night. hows that sound?

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I just registered at Yahoo, and their fantasy football league registrations are available, so Im trying to figure out how their drafts work. Also, so far Ive only run across 10 team league options, but I havent been able to set anything up yet because we havent officially decided on a league name. Thats a starting point. WE NEED A LEAGUE NAME.

 

Im all for, "Sweetness Just Locked Up Last Place with the Chad Pennington Pick", but its kind of long, and doesnt really have much of a ring to it. :D

Seriously, here's what I want to go with........"The Good, the Bad, and the DUMB" FFLeague. how's that sound, fellas? Ive gathered all the opinions. Im willing to set things in stone. As long as we dont lose anyone because of overwhelming need to use a certain method of scoring. No particular set of rules will favor any one owner more than another. So how about the name, for starters? That'll get us going, and it'll all be downhill from there.

 

 

If I have to type in "the good the bad the dumb fftoday league" - I'm tracking you down, my fingers are going to cramp before the free for all wwpickups and trash talking.

 

how about the DAfftodayleague- (dumb arse for you that don't know better:) Or we can type in Jocstrapisthemasterdrafterleague.com//:fantasyfootballgenius.org//heisthemasterofall.net :first:

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If I have to type in "the good the bad the dumb fftoday league" - I'm tracking you down, my fingers are going to cramp before the free for all wwpickups and trash talking.

 

how about the DAfftodayleague- (dumb arse for you that don't know better:) Or we can type in Jocstrapisthemasterdrafterleague.com//:fantasyfootballgenius.org//heisthemasterofall.net :D

 

 

:first: :P Yes, I absolutely hear you. I suppose I can use an acronym. joc, Im on trying to set this thing up at Yahoo right now, and the earliest draft date available is June 15th which is a Thur, so the 17th of June(Sat) is the 1st Saturday available. .......to draft at Yahoo. Seems like the crew is looking to draft before that. Suggestions?

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:first: :D Yes, I absolutely hear you. I suppose I can use an acronym. joc, Im on trying to set this thing up at Yahoo right now, and the earliest draft date available is June 15th which is a Thur, so the 17th of June(Sat) is the 1st Saturday available. .......to draft at Yahoo. Seems like the crew is looking to draft before that. Suggestions?

 

Joc is my real name - can't help that - blame the parents

 

why not do a slow draft on the FFtoday board - need a little help - won't it stick there? we just bump the sucker after every pick!

 

Not sure about regulations with Mike though

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Joc is my real name - can't help that - blame the parents

 

why not do a slow draft on the FFtoday board - need a little help - won't it stick there? we just bump the sucker after every pick!

 

Not sure about regulations with Mike though

 

 

I agree. The way Yahoo drafts are set up, they must be completed in a single day. That will be tough to get all 12 of us on the same page there. We'll figure the draft spot out, but for now, Im setting up our Yahooo League with an "offline" draft.

 

One sticking point was the ST/D punt return or Kick return TD. in that case, I favor the d/st getting the TD points vs the individual player. thoughts on that?

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One sticking point was the ST/D punt return or Kick return TD. in that case, I favor the d/st getting the TD points vs the individual player. thoughts on that?

 

D/ST for sure.

 

Otherwise we need to go full IDP. No sense complicating things there either.

 

Hey, I'm in a $100 IDP, and we use kick returners...we get their yards and TDs...but we also use LBs, DLs, DTs and DBs. I don't think we want to get into that here.

 

If a WR gets those return yards while playing D/ST, that might score two teams for one player (guy with player and other guy with player's D/ST) - and that would be lame.

 

 

As for getting return yardage for your D/ST, in one D/ST league I'm in we opted to award 2 points for returns over 50 yds. That's it. Recognize a performance metric and have a small reward for it - but giving them the yardage points of a receiver or RB would make D/STs screwy value-wise too.

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We've got our league site set up. Yesssssssssssssss...........I opted for the "offline" draft due to the one single day draft options they had available. Scooter, where's a good place to hold a draft? How about one of the 'mocking stations'?

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I thought everyone so far has said to do a slow draft as we're all in different time zones...

 

and what's the hurry? It's June 1st for christ sakes.

 

i agree with scooter, lets have a slow draft, 12 hrs a pick, what's the hurry? Let's put on a good show for the onlookers who are fanatics like us that want to win their leagues..

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Guys, if you havent already registered at Yahoo, make it happen. Its quick its painless, itll get you on the league homepage.....I think.

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Pennington?

 

S34 (I will never type "Sweetness" again out of protest)

 

Solo, it would make great TV if you kicked him out!

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We've got our league site set up. Yesssssssssssssss...........I opted for the "offline" draft due to the one single day draft options they had available. Scooter, where's a good place to hold a draft? How about one of the 'mocking stations'?

 

mr henry matisse...i love your spirit and take-charge attitude for the league......let's keep this gung-ho mantality going all season however let me give you some advice based on experience if that's what it is called :thumbsup:

 

yahoo WILL NOT ALLOW d/st points for kickoff returns and punt returns for tds...that goes to the individual player..no exceptions

 

6 points for tds are going to make the top 10 qbs more relevant to rbs and wrs moreso in that category than if it was 4 points for passing tds... and even with a ppr it will still be more important to have a better qb that wr of the same rank...there will be a bigger drop from qbs in points down the line as opposed to rbs and wrs....your call though and would really spicen things up if it was 6 points a td..heck i like it- let's do it..

 

for the draft....alot of things have yet to be cleared up and won't be until camp...if we are gonna draft this early i think you should give the guys a couple of weeks to get their draft board organized and let's do a slow draft....we can do this on another site and you can set the timer for 6-8-12 hours whatever you decide...you can also lock out other people not in the league so there can be no commentary..someone can come back here and post the picks as they transpire...no oustiders commenting on our draft bored

 

if we draft on yahoo...the only way to do it is for all of us to agree on a time and date..yahoo only allows 90 seconds per pick and you can't adjust it...not cool.. i think we should do a draft date offline

 

as for waivers....i don't think it's fair to have a free-for-all..guys like me who go to the bar each Sunday to wqtch the games..would never get anyone on game day...i think you should lock the teams on Sunday nooon and then do a waiver wire based on last-2-first each week..then have a free-for-all from tuesday or wednesday until kickoff Sunday...it's fairest to all especially the guys who don't have computer access 24-7

 

that's my story and i'm sticking to it...thanks for the invite

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mr henry matisse...i love your spirit and take-charge attitude for the league......let's keep this gung-ho mantality going all season however let me give you some advice based on experience if that's what it is called :shocking:

 

yahoo WILL NOT ALLOW d/st points for kickoff returns and punt returns for tds...that goes to the individual player..no exceptions

 

6 points for tds are going to make the top 10 qbs more relevant to rbs and wrs moreso in that category than if it was 4 points for passing tds... and even with a ppr it will still be more important to have a better qb that wr of the same rank...there will be a bigger drop from qbs in points down the line as opposed to rbs and wrs....your call though and would really spicen things up if it was 6 points a td..heck i like it- let's do it..

 

for the draft....alot of things have yet to be cleared up and won't be until camp...if we are gonna draft this early i think you should give the guys a couple of weeks to get their draft board organized and let's do a slow draft....we can do this on another site and you can set the timer for 6-8-12 hours whatever you decide...you can also lock out other people not in the league so there can be no commentary..someone can come back here and post the picks as they transpire...no oustiders commenting on our draft bored

 

if we draft on yahoo...the only way to do it is for all of us to agree on a time and date..yahoo only allows 90 seconds per pick and you can't adjust it...not cool.. i think we should do a draft date offline

 

as for waivers....i don't think it's fair to have a free-for-all..guys like me who go to the bar each Sunday to wqtch the games..would never get anyone on game day...i think you should lock the teams on Sunday nooon and then do a waiver wire based on last-2-first each week..then have a free-for-all from tuesday or wednesday until kickoff Sunday...it's fairest to all especially the guys who don't have computer access 24-7

 

that's my story and i'm sticking to it...thanks for the invite

 

 

Clash-

 

We will absolutely set up the waivers to be fair for the Sunday bar hoppers. We'll lock players up for 2 days from Sunday to Tuesday. Youre absolutely right that it wouldnt be fair to be out watching games while other guys are stealing players at home. So it wont be a full fledged free for all. Ive changed my line of thinking on that.

 

Yahoo absolutely allows return TDs to be granted to the D/ST units. It was definitely a scoring option as I set the league up. There was a choice of granting it under Offensive scoring, in which case the TD went to the individual player or under ST/D where it goes to the unit. I opted for the D/ST unit, and there is a little disagreement on this point right now, so this may be one of the couple minor issues we'd need to consider for a vote. But Im curious about your lean toward the individual return TD because I respect your opinion. Is it that you are interested in drafting/starting players capable of returning TDs, or you dont like overvaluing D/ST??

 

On the 6pt QB issue.....Imo, whenever a single QB isnt taken in the 1st round of just about every draft I see, there is something wrong with the "Positional balance of power" in FF. In Sweetness34's draft which weve been following here on the site, just as an example, Manning was the 1st QB drafted, but then the 2nd QB was not drafted until Sweetness took Carson Palmer in the 4th round. Can you imagine how late QBs will be drafted if their passing TDs are only worth 4? I just want to see QBs have as much value in FF as they do in real football. Imo, a TD is a TD whether it's thrown or run, and Im not personally worried about giving QBs too much value, because right now in FF, they seem to have very little to begin with.

 

I agree that the Yahoo draft wouldnt work, so I set our league up to conduct an "offline" draft. Basically, we'll just agree on a time, date and place, draft our rosters, and then Ill enter everyone's rosters on the league site......being sure to steal atleast 1 or 2 good players that noone will notice..jk :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

To ALL MEMBERS of the League:

 

Ive made our league viewable to the public, but limited to private ownership, so right now, you'll only need to register with yahoo, then go to the fantasy home page, search 'football', request to join a public league and search for the "Jerry Porter" league. SORT the league search by the following 3 criteria.....1) Head to Head Scoring 2) OFFLINE draft 3) 'NONE' as the Cant Cut List option. The list will be a short one right now of about a half dozen leagues, and again youre looking for "Jerry Porter". Just request an invite, and Ill mail it to each of you. When you send your request, just identify your FFToday screen name

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uh, I can't find it.

:cheers:

 

I click on browse custom league, and see no results returned.

 

If I click on the public league, Yahoo is going to assign me to one.

 

Help?

 

 

Can't you email me the credentials to join? I believe that within the league page, the commish can send invites - which include a link.

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I applied as well...twice. Forgot to give you my identity the first time. A little too stoked.

 

The only time that I cannot draft is on June 17 before 6pm eastern time. I live in Oregon.

 

I've been playing ff since 1988 in keeper leagues, but have never been in a redraft league. So I'm really looking forward to this challenge.

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uh, I can't find it.

:cheers:

 

I click on browse custom league, and see no results returned.

maybe that's on purpose. ;) :first:

 

You have to follow the point where is put's in the filters...do browse custom...add filters...and you should see Jerry Porter after that.

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I'll register this evening - actually working pretty hard today - thanks for the good work on getting us going :rolleyes:

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Im getting you guys set up, one by one. If you put a request in to join the league, you shoud all have your nessecary credentials now to get into our site, and remember for those of you who havent put the request in yet to join the league, when you do, please drop your FFToday handle along with it, so Ill know who you are. Ive got about 4 or 5 of you tightened up so far, and will help each owner out as we go. Im goin' golfin' for a while, so Im out of action for a bit. On the course.....its where I do my best work.

 

 

 

 

Scooter-

 

I sent back an invitation with the stuff I believe you'll need to get in. Check it out, or email me back.

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Im in, and Im getting you guys tightened up. Scooter, Ill get something mailed out to you.

 

I did but I got nothing.

 

I'm in now though - thanks for the credentials, SM.

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Wheh - I think I did it. Let me know if you received the ask for invite on your yahoo account. It was the only Jerry Porter league I could find scrolling through 8 pages. Please let it be right!

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Wheh - I think I did it. Let me know if you received the ask for invite on your yahoo account. It was the only Jerry Porter league I could find scrolling through 8 pages. Please let it be right!

 

 

Youre good to go, Joc. I sent you an email back just now.....tear it up.

 

I applied as well...twice. Forgot to give you my identity the first time. A little too stoked.

 

The only time that I cannot draft is on June 17 before 6pm eastern time. I live in Oregon.

 

I've been playing ff since 1988 in keeper leagues, but have never been in a redraft league. So I'm really looking forward to this challenge.

 

 

Hey Yip, are you in and good to go??? If not let me know.

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i haven't received anything yet on yahoo email from you :ninja: . Trying to figure out how to tear it up

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Guys, I replied back to all the emails I received earlier, but I went ahead and replied again just a little while ago now. Youll need that league info attached to your email containing the league ID and password. Rye & Leaf, I sent your info to an email ending in "edu", and not yahoo. So check that email. Scooter, if youre not in, send me another email or put another request in at Yahoo. The only info Ive requested as youve each tried to gain access to the league homepage is your FFToday handle attached with your email. It makes it easier to follow and also confirms that the person trying to gain access to the site is legit. We'll get this figured out, but you should all be able to get in. But if not, stay with it. We'll get it done.

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I'm in and registered. Yeah!

 

 

Outstanding, GP! Thats 4 down, 8 to go.

 

 

"Nothing to see here, keep moving ...nothing to see here, please disperse"......

 

So far weve got the following owners on the site:

 

Myself

Football Scooter

Rye & Leaf

Grateful Parrot

 

I wont rest until everyone is in, and we can line up this draft. I think we should just set it up on the "Mocking Station" and 'slow draft' it, but just try and keep it moving as much as possible. But of course, we cant put a 2 or 4 hour time limit on anything. Id suggest we just start it, say next Saturday. This way, we'll have a little time to consider our league scoring system and rules, and line up our draft rankings accordingly. Clash suggested this, and I think its a good idea to back it up until about that point. Im sure we're all pretty much ready to roll, but tighening up your game is never a bad idea when pride is on the line. So, if we start at 10ish in the AM, depending on who has the 1st pick of course and the time zone, we can probably bang out a good chunk of the draft hopefully in a day. But this is tenative for now.

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