pollardposse 0 Posted June 17, 2006 I would like to join a high stakes re-draft league. Anyone know of a reputable site? WCOFF is one thought, but I would like to keep the entry fee under $500. There is one I'm looking at on the fantasyheadquarters.com page. Anyone ever played in one of their leagues? Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenchMark 0 Posted June 17, 2006 Sure have........ two years in a row and that was two years too much. I got ripped off once each year. I thought it might have been a fluke (or just my imagination) the first year but it happened again the second year by the same two teams in the league. I complained to the commish at Fantasy Headquarters and he did virtually nothing. Without getting into a lot of detail, I'll give you a brief look at what happened last year. About 5 games into the season, team A traded their Jamal Lewis for team B's Tiki Barber (straight up). I complained to the commish and he said if I didn't like the trade to ask for a league vote. I was surprised the commish didn't nix the deal right then and there but I sent emails to all the teams in the league anyway. I got only one response from the whole league. The trade went through. The team that traded away Barber had no activity the rest of the year. The team that received Barber went on to win the league championship. This was a 100 dollar league and nearly the same thing happened the year before. In my opinion, that league is set up for suckers like myself to join only to be cheated out of their money by an unscrupulous commish and owners. It became obvious to me the commish and the outlaw teams involved in the collusion were all one in the same. I will never go back to Fantasy Headquarters...................what you do is your business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gatorbait7391 0 Posted June 17, 2006 www.fantasybowl.com!!!!!!! Just opened for this year, payout 90% of cash, and have leagues from a 10$ entry league to 500$. THE BEST EVER!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pollardposse 0 Posted June 17, 2006 Thanks for the update on fantasy headquarters. I'll stay away. I emailed the league to see how their "veto" stuff worked, but no one ever responded. The whole collusion issue is what worries me. I played in high stakes league about 3 years ago and swore I wouldn't do it again.... Turns out 4 of the 12 teams were owned by "friends". The trades were sick. An example: Ahman Green was traded straight up for Bubba Franks. This is when Ahman was putting up good numbers. A league vote wasn't an option. The other one that sticks out was Tony Gonzalez went to the same team that got Ahman Green. The guy received a back-up running back in return. I don't even remember the RB's name! I appreciate the input. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted June 18, 2006 www.fantasybowl.com!!!!!!! Just opened for this year, payout 90% of cash, and have leagues from a 10$ entry league to 500$. THE BEST EVER!!!! chill out G-bait. sounds like u have man-love for fantasybowl.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gatorbait7391 0 Posted June 18, 2006 chill out G-bait. sounds like u have man-love for fantasybowl.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenchMark 0 Posted June 18, 2006 Thanks for the update on fantasy headquarters. I'll stay away. I emailed the league to see how their "veto" stuff worked, but no one ever responded. The whole collusion issue is what worries me. I played in high stakes league about 3 years ago and swore I wouldn't do it again.... Turns out 4 of the 12 teams were owned by "friends". The trades were sick. An example: Ahman Green was traded straight up for Bubba Franks. This is when Ahman was putting up good numbers. A league vote wasn't an option. The other one that sticks out was Tony Gonzalez went to the same team that got Ahman Green. The guy received a back-up running back in return. I don't even remember the RB's name! I appreciate the input. I know what you mean and think you're making a good decision to stay away from Fantasy Headquarters. I'm also searching for a good high stakes league in probably the same price range as you. However, I've come to the conclusion if you are playing for money in a public league (over 50 bucks or so), you might be better off making sure the league allows NO TRADES. Trades are at the root of most collusive activities IMO. Almost every league I've been in always seems to have some kind of controversey resulting from a bad trade. I've found a couple of leagues with a "NO TRADE" option that I'm seriously considering. Fantaball and American Fantasy Football Leagues are two that I'm looking at. Both sites have high stake leagues with "No Trade" options. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted June 18, 2006 I've had bad experiences with online pay leagues. About four years ago I decided to only join pay leagues with people I know. This has worked out the best for me but I know it isn't an option for everyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pollardposse 0 Posted June 18, 2006 Thanks for the information on the no-trade leagues! I had no idea leagues such as those existed. Without a doubt, that is where I'm heading. Next thing I know, they'll invent something so I don't have to keep walking to the tv to change the channel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
texasmouth 1 Posted June 18, 2006 http://www.antsports.com/Leagues/money_500_leagues.asp http://www.antsports.com/Leagues/money_250...gues_keeper.asp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fantasyfreak64 Posted June 18, 2006 I just checked out www.fantasybowl.com and it was great. better than I imagined! $40 for $360 payout. Not bad. I think everyone should check it out. --Phil Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gatorbait7391 0 Posted June 18, 2006 I just checked out www.fantasybowl.com and it was great. better than I imagined! $40 for $360 payout. Not bad. I think everyone should check it out. --Phil thankyou, come again! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted June 18, 2006 I just checked out www.fantasybowl.com and it was great. better than I imagined! $40 for $360 payout. Not bad. I think everyone should check it out. --Phil yea they improved things this year. im joining again this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duceduce 0 Posted July 1, 2006 Yeah It seems like a pretty good site Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fuzzy 0 Posted July 2, 2006 Try checking out www.fuzzysfantasyfootball.com Each trade is reviewed and owners can place vetoes that will be considered with valid explanations. It also has blind bidding - the fairest way for free agents. Every precaution is used to prevent cheaters. If any deal doesn't smell right, it is reviewed and players will be banned if they are caught cheating. Players released are not eligible to be picked up until the next blind bidding session which prevents any "lending" of players to owners that may possibly attempt something. Also, the percentage of payout are clearly listed which amounts to the same payouts as the other site discussed in this thread - the difference is that claims of 90% is only claimed for the leagues in which actually pay out 90%. Besides, last math class I took has $360 paid out prizes for $480 fees ($40x12 teams) as 75% payout. Not sure how anyone calculates that at 90% or even 80% as advertised. If you have any questions, please feel free to call toll-free or e-mail. Contact info is on the site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGambinoCrimeFamily 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Good Topic and some worthwhile info. Someone said they were worried about collusion. Ive seen it happen too and commissioners not taking the right corrective action or owners not voting. I like the "no trading" idea. That would seen to eliminate a lot of possible shady transactions. I would warn fellow readers to read the league rules THOROUGHLY before deciding to join. The best way is to join a league with friends or people that are local, for obvious reasons. Im now gonna go take a look at some of these suggested sites named above. Good Luck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 3, 2006 I would like to join a high stakes re-draft league. Anyone know of a reputable site? WCOFF is one thought, but I would like to keep the entry fee under $500. There is one I'm looking at on the fantasyheadquarters.com page. Anyone ever played in one of their leagues? Thanks I'm doing the WCOFF this year. I played in Fantasy VIPs http://www.fantasyvips.com/, which was $500, but I hate the "worst to first" waiver system. It totaly screwed me in 2004. I had Ahman Green, Terrell Owens, and a couple other high picks who got hurt...but since I was in 1st place and had outscored the league for the 1st 4 games, I was last in waiver position, week after week after week. I know they were thinking of going with blind bid, but I honestly don't know if they did. Might want to look into it. Mike_FFT turned me on to it, so you can trust the guy running it, but I will say I did it the 1st year and they weren't all that organized... The nice thing is that you won't get ripped off. If you win, you will get paid. Antsports has $ leagues listed too, at various levels of cost, from $100 to a couple thousand. I'm not sure how they work, but I know they've been around for a while, so you can probably trust them too. WCOFF is more than $1600 anyway, since you go to Vegas (or Atlantic City) to draft - which ain't a free trip for room or board. Not to mention the gambling & hookers, which can be quite expensive. Sure have........ two years in a row and that was two years too much. I got ripped off once each year. I thought it might have been a fluke (or just my imagination) the first year but it happened again the second year by the same two teams in the league. I complained to the commish at Fantasy Headquarters and he did virtually nothing. Without getting into a lot of detail, I'll give you a brief look at what happened last year. About 5 games into the season, team A traded their Jamal Lewis for team B's Tiki Barber (straight up). I complained to the commish and he said if I didn't like the trade to ask for a league vote. I was surprised the commish didn't nix the deal right then and there but I sent emails to all the teams in the league anyway. I got only one response from the whole league. The trade went through. The team that traded away Barber had no activity the rest of the year. The team that received Barber went on to win the league championship. This was a 100 dollar league and nearly the same thing happened the year before. In my opinion, that league is set up for suckers like myself to join only to be cheated out of their money by an unscrupulous commish and owners. It became obvious to me the commish and the outlaw teams involved in the collusion were all one in the same. I will never go back to Fantasy Headquarters...................what you do is your business. $100 isn't high stakes. That's the entry for both my local private leagues. lol That said, it sucks you got suckered there, but I have to ask: if they cheated the 1st season, WHY would you go back to that league the next year?? chill out G-bait. sounds like u have man-love for fantasybowl.com lol - look at the infamous quote in my signature and tell me if you'd trust this man's opinion on anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGambinoCrimeFamily 0 Posted July 3, 2006 I just checked out www.fantasybowl.com It looked alright. Im just not a fan of unlimited waiver wire pickups. You can have a shitty draft and still piece together a great team. And I didnt like that EVERY trade is voted on by owners not involved in the trade, and if more than 50% veto it, then it's veto'd. I can make a good, legit trade and just because some other owners dont like it or cant see how it helps my squad, they can dictate what I can do and what I cant do by vetoing it. F-that Im in 2 decent $$$$ leagues, but I think Im still gonna look into a online league with no-trades. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RJC 0 Posted July 3, 2006 $100 and $200 league openiings never missed a payment in 10 years - plenty of references all trades closely governed by commissioner and trade committee live online or slow running draft League Openings email jag4444@bellsouth.net Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenchMark 0 Posted July 3, 2006 I'm doing the WCOFF this year. I played in Fantasy VIPs http://www.fantasyvips.com/, which was $500, but I hate the "worst to first" waiver system. It totaly screwed me in 2004. I had Ahman Green, Terrell Owens, and a couple other high picks who got hurt...but since I was in 1st place and had outscored the league for the 1st 4 games, I was last in waiver position, week after week after week. I know they were thinking of going with blind bid, but I honestly don't know if they did. Might want to look into it. Mike_FFT turned me on to it, so you can trust the guy running it, but I will say I did it the 1st year and they weren't all that organized... The nice thing is that you won't get ripped off. If you win, you will get paid. Antsports has $ leagues listed too, at various levels of cost, from $100 to a couple thousand. I'm not sure how they work, but I know they've been around for a while, so you can probably trust them too. WCOFF is more than $1600 anyway, since you go to Vegas (or Atlantic City) to draft - which ain't a free trip for room or board. Not to mention the gambling & hookers, which can be quite expensive. $100 isn't high stakes. That's the entry for both my local private leagues. lol That said, it sucks you got suckered there, but I have to ask: if they cheated the 1st season, WHY would you go back to that league the next year?? lol - look at the infamous quote in my signature and tell me if you'd trust this man's opinion on anything. Whoa there big shooter................never said $100 was high stakes. The guy asked if anyone new anything about "Fantasy Headquarters". I simply gave him an example of what happened to me at that site. It was just more information for him to use should he decide to play "High Stakes" there. Also read again the third sentence in my first reply. Right or wrong, my reason to play there again was clearly stated. Maybe a course in "Reading Comprehension" would serve you well. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Maybe a course in "Reading Comprehension" would serve you well. LOL I prefer hooked on phonics...that lets me sound out hard words like "apple" and "doggy". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tomidius 1 Posted July 3, 2006 I have been using Antsports.com for several years now. I have won and have been paid and recieved trophies. Steve also is really quick to respond to emails and rejects trades that are done in collusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGambinoCrimeFamily 0 Posted July 3, 2006 I checked out AntSports. I thought their trading policy was whacked too !!! Can anyone turn me onto a legit league that has a no-trade policy and a limited waiver wire pickup policy, A no-trade league gets rid of a lot of the BS and headaches of joining an $$$ online league, with whom your competing against are a bunch of strangers. Im all for drafting a whole lot more players/rounds with a limited amount of waiver wire pickups. Anyone in agreement with me on this type of online league? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rebooters 1 Posted July 4, 2006 I've had bad experiences with online pay leagues. About four years ago I decided to only join pay leagues with people I know. This has worked out the best for me but I know it isn't an option for everyone. agreed. the first league i joined 8 years ago was a $100 redraft with friends and family. been in it ever since. BS doesnt take place in leagues like this. this year i decided to start my own keeper league with friends and family. if you are gonna lay down money i would suggest getting you friends or atleast aquantinces into your own league and you or someone trustworty being the commish. all gravy from there and IMO much more fun than playing with strangers. i know this doesnt answer your question of do we know where you can find one. in my experience, i cant find anything that compares to what i mentioned above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenchMark 0 Posted July 4, 2006 I checked out AntSports. I thought their trading policy was whacked too !!! Can anyone turn me onto a legit league that has a no-trade policy and a limited waiver wire pickup policy, A no-trade league gets rid of a lot of the BS and headaches of joining an $$$ online league, with whom your competing against are a bunch of strangers. Im all for drafting a whole lot more players/rounds with a limited amount of waiver wire pickups. Anyone in agreement with me on this type of online league? I've not played at antsports but have done some surfing on their league forums. Its filled with a lot of unhappy and disgruntled customers these days. Seems some of them are having a hard time collecting winnings and also are angry because the payouts are being decreased. Ants payouts are probably among the lowest of all Fantasy League sites. My advice is to stay away from leagues that allow trades if you don't know anyone in them. I think almost all of "Ants" allows trades. Also most of their leagues are at least half full with guys that have been playing together for a while. Thats not a good situation to get into, if you know what I mean. A couple of sites I've found are "Xpert Sports" and "Fantaball". Both offer "No Trades Allowed" leagues. They both have "high stakes" (as much as $1000) or entry level (trophy) leagues. Also each re-draft league starts fresh with all new owners. If you play for more than 50 bucks a guy is a fool to enter a trade league. Ask yourself this..................why doesn't the WCOFF allow trades? Leave the trade leagues to the little kids and beginners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Natural Lights 0 Posted July 4, 2006 I've not played at antsports but have done some surfing on their league forums. Its filled with a lot of unhappy and disgruntled customers these days. Seems some of them are having a hard time collecting winnings and also are angry because the payouts are being decreased. Ants payouts are probably among the lowest of all Fantasy League sites. My advice is to stay away from leagues that allow trades if you don't know anyone in them. I think almost all of "Ants" allows trades. Also most of their leagues are at least half full with guys that have been playing together for a while. Thats not a good situation to get into, if you know what I mean. A couple of sites I've found are "Xpert Sports" and "Fantaball". Both offer "No Trades Allowed" leagues. They both have "high stakes" (as much as $1000) or entry level (trophy) leagues. Also each re-draft league starts fresh with all new owners. If you play for more than 50 bucks a guy is a fool to enter a trade league. Ask yourself this..................why doesn't the WCOFF allow trades? Leave the trade leagues to the little kids and beginners. I was in a satellite WCOFF league at XPert sports last year. 200 Dollar entry, no trades, blind bid waiver wire. The draft was rather deep, (16-18 rounds I believe) Winner take all format total points for the first 14 weeks, then a two week playoff between the top four teams. Winner had option to go to Vegas, with airfare, hotel, and entry fee included, or he could cash out 2000 large. Overall very well run. WCOFF also does an auction draft in Vegas for 695 dollars which is cheaper if you do not want to pay the 1600... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 4, 2006 WCOFF also does an auction draft in Vegas for 695 dollars which is cheaper if you do not want to pay the 1600... I considered that, as I really want to get into an auction format at some point, but since I've never done one that seemed a little steep for a lesson since I'd likely get my arse handed to me on a platter. Agreed though...it does look like a great option for anyone who wants to get into something bigger then the local buddy leagues yet not $1600 balls out. Me, I'm dumb so I donated my $1600 this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGambinoCrimeFamily 0 Posted July 4, 2006 I was in a satellite WCOFF league at XPert sports last year. 200 Dollar entry, no trades, blind bid waiver wire. The draft was rather deep, (16-18 rounds I believe) Winner take all format total points for the first 14 weeks, then a two week playoff between the top four teams. Winner had option to go to Vegas, with airfare, hotel, and entry fee included, or he could cash out 2000 large. Overall very well run. WCOFF also does an auction draft in Vegas for 695 dollars which is cheaper if you do not want to pay the 1600... Thanx man. Looks pretty cool. Was just checking it out. Im gonna go ahead and try my skillz at a $200 satellite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrRBCs 0 Posted July 5, 2006 I took part in a National Fantasy Football Championship auction league last year and I can highly recommend them. I chose NFFC over WCOFF because I prefer the 14 team leagues and because WCOFF has some sort of requirement for a predraft part and I believe they restrict you to booking at their draft hotel. Also the NFFC draft is over a holiday which is easier for me. I will eventually try WCOFF because I know more people that participate there and because the competition is said to be somewhat softer because the "name recognition" brings in more new owners. Also, more experienced owners are more likely than new owners to gravitate to the 14 team leagues. If you are not interested in going to Vegas the NFFC also drafts from New York and Chicago. In addition, both WCOFF and NFC have online satellite leagues ranging from $100-$1000. It is my understanding that although many of the satellite leagues are designed to funnel new participants to the Main Event of WCOFF or NFFC you also have the option of taking cash. NFFC Satellite List: https://www.fantasyfootballchampionship.com...osePurchase.asp WCOFF Satellite List: http://www.xpertsports.com/wcoff.php Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fuzzy 0 Posted July 5, 2006 Fuzzys Fantasy Football will also be implementating no-trade leagues for the upcoming season. Signups for new members will begin in a week or two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGambinoCrimeFamily 0 Posted July 5, 2006 Fuzzys Fantasy Football will also be implementating no-trade leagues for the upcoming season. Signups for new members will begin in a week or two. 14-team league is a little watered-down for me. Round 10, I dont wanna be drafting fullbacks and defensive lineman that lineup at tight end on goaline packages. I may be exaggeriating but you caught my drift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fuzzy 0 Posted July 5, 2006 14-team league is a little watered-down for me. Round 10, I dont wanna be drafting fullbacks and defensive lineman that lineup at tight end on goaline packages. I may be exaggeriating but you caught my drift. I think you quoted the wrong site. Fuzzys Fantasy Football has 10, 12 and 14 team leagues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dluvlkn 0 Posted July 5, 2006 Have you found your "high-stakes" leagues yet? I have a few $250 leagues that I'm looking for owners... I understand your concerns about collusion and hopefully my league voting options can appease you. shoot me an email if you're still looking or if anyone is looking to join $250 or $100 leagues with 100% payouts (minus site fee) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites