Sleeper RB you have to grab in the third maybe the second.

[waterwolves 0]

Deshaun Foster....how could I have forgotten THAT stud? But it just better shows even further how little most of these guys do in the pros. I mean, Jackson has had one decent year but hardly proven. Dillon has had a nice career, but this is it for him. But Foster and Droughns? Where are all the talented backs coming out of the Pac 10? I wont go on about this anymore. I realize its a rather thin arguement, and I may not have much of a leg to stand on, but its just one of those factors that holds weight with each of us individually. What means something to me, doesnt mean squat to others, and vice versa. And thats all good.

 

 

I just ant to say this and then I am done. Bush did not play great teams in college that is true. I can't argue that and you are right we can't even start to compare himto sanders cause he hasn't played at the NFL level so a lot of what you said was truebut you can't make a judgement on him jus based on the fact that he played in the pac-ten. He is the best I have ever seen come out of college and for that reason I think he will be one of the best to play at the NFL level but maybe my assumption is thin at best to because I have never seen im play at the NFL level.

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Does anybody know who those stats belong too? I am sorry but I have never seen a better RB come out of College since Barry Sanders. It was his rookie year too. I am obivously not a expert and if it is a keeper league you will have to draft him #1 so he is not a sleeper there but....... In all the mocks I am doing Reggie Bush is slipping to the third round!!!!! Those are barry's rookie year stats by the way and I think Bush can get close to that level in combined yards. The Td's won't be as high because of Duece but still 1600 total yards (I think his rec. yards will be close to 500) and 7-10 TD's that is starter material. Just a tidbit: 2002 LT caught 79 passes for 489 yards and who was throwing the ball to him 79 times!!!!!!!! Thats right ladies and gentlemen Mr. Drew Brees who just happens to be the QB for the Saints. And this is a scary thought Bush is better then LT!!!!!!!!

Thoughts........

It is an interesting post. My comfort zone simply doesn't allow me to speculate quite that much, taking a rookie in the 2nd round.

 

"I am sorry but I have never seen a better RB come out of College since Barry Sanders."

 

Could be true, but is really parrotting everything that has and is being said about him to this point. The young man now has to come out and perform. This team was in shambles, they have a new Coach, a new Qb, yet the same troubles as far as natural disaster distractions. I just don't see a meteoric turn around in one short offseason. He will be dynamic to watch! Can't wait! I'm just not enough of a gunslinger to watch him on my lineup, at the cost of a 2nd rounder.

 

It was an excellant angle on a post. Hats off!

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The most telling thing to me about Bush is the Rose Bowl. Close game against a quality opponent. White (with bad hammy?) played almost the entire second half while Bush did the Gatoraid thing. Carrol has a lot of NFL experience and is not a moron. Yeah, he has big play ability but he is not the 2nd coming of anyone if he is on the bench in the biggest game of his COLLEGE career. I will stay far away until he proves something at the pro level.

 

White's hammy hadn't happened yet, he was healthy during the Rose Bowl. Bush did amass 279 total yards in the game, which may or may not have contributed to his "Gatorade" time late in the game. Only Pete Carroll knows for sure. In the second half, Bush did contribute to three scoring drives, and I don't think it's a coincidence that the Trojan offense stalled in the only drive where Bush didn't get a touch.

[DaveJ 0]

Deshaun Foster....how could I have forgotten THAT stud? But it just better shows even further how little most of these guys do in the pros. I mean, Jackson has had one decent year but hardly proven. Dillon has had a nice career, but this is it for him. But Foster and Droughns? Where are all the talented backs coming out of the Pac 10? I wont go on about this anymore. I realize its a rather thin arguement, and I may not have much of a leg to stand on, but its just one of those factors that holds weight with each of us individually. What means something to me, doesnt mean squat to others, and vice versa. And thats all good.

 

Going back a ways.. OJ Simpson, Marcus Allen... both from SC, Roger Craig I believe was Pac 10, LT San Deigo State and few others. Pac 10 is not known for its RB's, but SC has a history of strong and capable backs. Not everyone is a hit though.. but they have had some good ones.

 

I understand your point of view... but player prospects and futures are ALL individual, not based on which conference they come out of. It certainly is helpful to gauge actual performance though, seeing how they did against top talent etc. I'd argue that Bush did pretty well against top talent, but even that isn't a big indicator of future success.

 

Bush has the speed and elusiveness, combined with the vision to be great.... BUT... BUT... BUT.... he needs to prove it still, needs to stay healthy and needs time to adjust to the NFL.

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Going back a ways.. OJ Simpson, Marcus Allen... both from SC, Roger Craig I believe was Pac 10, LT San Deigo State and few others. Pac 10 is not known for its RB's, but SC has a history of strong and capable backs. Not everyone is a hit though.. but they have had some good ones.

 

LT played at TCU. It was Marshall Faulk who played at SDSU, which is a Mountain West Conference school.

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8.7ypc? 16 td's? that's unreal. bush is obviously the 2nd coming.

lendale white. 6.6ypc? 24 td's? he's obviously the 3rd coming.

 

either these two guys are two of the best college players ever, or they benefitted from a dominant team and system. obviously reggie bush is a very gifted athlete but i'm not sold that it will translate into success in the nfl. most of his highlights are of him making moves on guys in the open field. i don't see him getting out in the open field that often in the nfl.

 

he also appears to be in some kind of committee and it is unclear how he'll be used and i've seen him ranked about 15th among rb's or so which seems way too high for me. i'm probably a little swayed because my league heavily rewards 100 yard games which aren't condusive to a part-time player but i'll see how he ends up doing this year........on someone else's team.

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I don't see Bush getting that many carries. I'd be shocked if he carried the ball more than 220 times. I'd expect him to carry it more like 170 times. Deuce is still on the team.

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

Arguments against Bush and him being in the pac-10 and competition = ridiculous. People have already given the names... LT and the stellar competition at TCU in the Mountain West is as good an example as there is.

 

It's a different game in the NFL and Bush won't be nearly as effective. Really? I didn't think of that. I thought he was going to average 170 yards from scrimmage, 1.38 TD's, and 2.85 rec a game like he did at USC. Also, I guess no rookie has ever had success in the NFL by that argument.

 

My average per game projections (and I think they are conservative): 75 yards, .5TD's, 4 rec a game. Over 16 weeks that totals: 1200 yards, 8 TD's, 64 rec. That is a lot of receptions, but I think we've seen a receiver out of the backfield of this caliber maybe a couple times in history. TD's may be a bit high too, but Vegas is putting it at 7, so I think it will be close. By the way... the numbers I projected would have been good enough for the #10RB in a PPR league.

 

 

Now the only viable factor is Deuce. Last year people were destroying him here, and I think for good reason. Comparisons of Eddie George past his prime come to mind. Now all of the sudden he is some super-stud. IMHO he is solid, but not great and very seemingly on the downslope of his career. And am I the only focking person that remembers that he tore his ACL? A couple of years back, it was a 2 year timetable before a player fully recovers from an ACL... and the guy didn't even look very good before he got injured IMO. I say we are going to have a very comparable situation to Dunn and Duckett.. only difference is Bush will take a couple more TD's the distance. I think that Deuce will be the change of pace back (not the other way around), or they will both be on the field at the same time if anything.

 

I just don't get how people are ignoring Bush's talent. How can you pass on a guy who is justifiably touted as the best RB to come out of college? He is intelligent, has great work ethic and is in peak condition. He has personally learned from (IMO) the best RB in the game (LT) on what it takes to be a star in the NFL. I see a lot of hate and a lot of people wanting him to fail.

 

 

I will say it again, if Bush reports to camp reasonably on time, I will take him @ 2.6

[t.j 35]

I will say it again, if Bush reports to camp reasonably on time, I will take him @ 2.6

 

That's a very big if. And pretty high to take him if you ask me, even though I am sold on his talent.