QB touchdowns (6 pt vs. 4 pt)

[DPG78 0]

I will clearly establish that QBs are undervalued. Last I checked the players of most benefit to a team in any league (MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, etc) are chosen with highest priority. So let's take a look at antsports.com average draft position thus far, highlighting the top 40 draft picks:

 

1. Larry Johnson RB KCC 1.01.19 1.01 1.02 00.40 47

2. Shaun Alexander RB SEA 1.02.39 1.01 1.03 00.71 46

3. LaDainian Tomlinson RB SDC 1.02.47 1.01 1.04 00.69 47

4. Clinton Portis RB WAS 1.04.46 1.03 1.07 00.72 46

5. Tiki Barber RB NYG 1.05.27 1.04 1.08 00.99 45

6. Steven Jackson RB STL 1.06.87 1.04 1.11 01.49 45

7. Edgerrin James RB ARI 1.07.13 1.04 1.10 01.34 46

8. LaMont Jordan RB OAK 1.07.98 1.05 2.02 02.06 47

9. Ronnie Brown RB MIA 1.09.32 1.04 2.01 01.72 47

10. Rudi Johnson RB CIN 1.10.68 1.06 2.03 01.93 47

11. Carnell Williams RB TBB 1.11.47 1.07 2.05 02.44 45

12. Steve Smith WR CAR 2.01.64 1.09 2.07 02.60 45

13. Domanick Davis RB HOU 2.02.76 1.10 2.11 03.06 46

14. Terrell Owens WR DAL 2.02.77 1.06 2.11 03.79 44

15. Brian Westbrook RB PHI 2.03.07 1.10 2.12 03.59 44

16. Peyton Manning QB IND 2.04.93 1.06 3.06 05.73 45

17. Chad Johnson WR CIN 2.05.00 1.11 2.10 02.40 45

18. Willis McGahee RB BUF 2.06.19 1.11 3.07 04.38 43

19. Torry Holt WR STL 2.06.50 2.01 3.02 02.93 46

20. Larry Fitzgerald WR ARI 2.08.27 2.01 3.01 03.12 44

21. Julius Jones RB DAL 2.09.35 2.01 3.08 04.45 43

22. Randy Moss WR OAK 2.10.62 2.04 3.04 02.81 45

23. Marvin Harrison WR IND 2.11.16 2.05 3.06 03.20 45

24. Kevin Jones RB DET 2.11.41 2.02 3.08 04.50 44

25. Anquan Boldin WR ARI 2.12.95 2.02 3.09 03.46 41

26. Antonio Gates TE SDC 3.02.64 2.02 4.01 05.22 45

27. Willie Parker RB PIT 3.03.36 1.03 4.06 07.89 45

28. Chris Chambers WR MIA 3.05.55 2.08 4.06 03.98 42

29. Reggie Wayne WR IND 3.06.58 3.01 4.01 03.17 43

30. Jamal Lewis RB BAL 3.06.86 2.03 4.11 05.64 44

31. Reuben Droughns RB CLE 3.08.20 2.02 4.11 06.19 46

32. Chester Taylor RB MIN 3.09.34 3.03 4.12 04.86 44

33. Reggie Bush RB NOS 3.09.77 2.06 4.12 06.76 43

34. Hines Ward WR PIT 3.10.11 3.02 4.08 04.11 45

35. Darrell Jackson WR SEA 3.11.16 3.04 5.01 04.63 43

36. Warrick Dunn RB ATL 3.12.57 2.06 5.12 07.77 46

37. Roy Williams WR DET 4.01.09 3.03 4.09 04.03 45

38. Santana Moss WR WAS 4.02.58 2.12 5.05 06.43 45

39. Plaxico Burress WR NYG 4.04.89 3.06 5.05 04.67 45

40. Tatum Bell RB DEN 4.06.74 3.05 5.07 06.93 43

 

Top 10 = 10 RBs

11-20 = 4 RB, 5 WR, and 1 QB

21-30 = 4 RB, 5 WR, and 1 TE

31-40 = 5 RB and 5 WR

 

That's right only one QB has an average draft position in the top 40 equal to TE's and a single pick more than the friggin kickers!!! It's madness, a product of doing what everyone else does, or doing it the way it has always been done. Fortunately, my leagues value all TDs at 6 points and better yet in one of my 12 team leagues we start 2 QBs.

 

Want a good time, 12 team league, start 2 QBs. Starting two QBs would be the only way to have [/i]even the slightest argument for 4 point TD passes.

 

the truth,

 

bushwood

 

You are an idiot, who cares what the avg draft position is. I put cold hard facts from real stats last year, go up a few posts sparky.

[bushwood 1]

You are an idiot, who cares what the avg draft position is. I put cold hard facts from real stats last year, go up a few posts sparky.

 

Thank you for all of your infinite wisdom DPG78. I have no idea how this site has lasted for so many years despite your lack of presence. That was certainly an indepth analysis of QB VALUE. Now why don't you go spend some time working on that 78 IQ. Hate to break it to ya pal, but advertising your IQ of 78 isn't impressing anybody here.

 

BUSHWOOD

[FFBGuy 0]

true but tiki barber has no shot at rushing for 30 td's, where it would not be to crazy if Eli threw for 30 or his bro went well over 40. I play in three leagues, one is 6, two is 4, and three is 3. Really I could care less, everyone know the rules when the season starts and you draft according.

 

True, a RB will not usually put up more TDs than a QB (unless they're named Priest or Shaun) but QB's also get hit harder in the negative points categories. Both INTs and fumbles lost are -2 points. Even a good QB in a good year can have 15 picks. A RB would have to have a pretty disastrous season to have even 3 or 4 lost fumbles.

[DPG78 0]

Thank you for all of your infinite wisdom DPG78. I have no idea how this site has lasted for so many years despite your lack of presence. That was certainly an indepth analysis of QB VALUE. Now why don't you go spend some time working on that 78 IQ. Hate to break it to ya pal, but advertising your IQ of 78 isn't impressing anybody here.

 

BUSHWOOD

 

And your analysis was indepth? You took a list from a website, a list you had nothing to do with, and it was one website, and it showed where they are being drafted at, who cares, put a bunch of monkeys in a room and see where they draft a QB, who cares, what matters are the points that are actually put up. Check into it.

 

Oh, and good one with the IQ shot, I bet that had all the kids laughin'.

[Meglamaniac 380]

Thank you for all of your infinite wisdom DPG78. I have no idea how this site has lasted for so many years despite your lack of presence. That was certainly an indepth analysis of QB VALUE. Now why don't you go spend some time working on that 78 IQ. Hate to break it to ya pal, but advertising your IQ of 78 isn't impressing anybody here.

 

BUSHWOOD

You are confussing value with demand, they are not the same.

The draft sequence is more a product of the perception that RBs have the potietial to score; more, more consistently and are more difficult to replace post draft.

 

Value is what it is, it's the speration by the player from others at his position using nothing more than stats.

 

Take last years stats, applying both scoring systems and you will see that the difference made between 4 and 6 points per pass TD is minimal in relation to the position. What you will see is how 4 points per elevates the rushing QBs and how it clumps the QBs into larger tiers.

[sanders 0]

The reason why Qb's should get more points no matter how you do it (with 6 pt TD's or with 1 pt for every 20 yards throwing, or bonuses for #of completions or completion %)

 

Everyone only needs one Qb as opposed to multiple players at other positions so unless you can get one of the top 3 QB it doesn't make sense to go for a QB early.

 

If Qbs earn only 4 pts for Td's - 1 pt for every 25 yards - 2 pt for INT/FUM it narrows the difference between QB points totals so it makes even less sense to go for a Qb early because the point difference between #4 Qb and #9 Qb let's say is even less.

 

I want the Qb position to matter and there to be a difference between getting the statistically better QB so that why we go with 6 Pt TD's. I would only think of going to 4Pt TDs if we went to 1 Pt for every 20 yards passing and added a bonus for completions. That would not serve to change the total points but make the point less TD heavy and more reflective of the Qb's actual performance.

[DPG78 0]

Thank you for all of your infinite wisdom DPG78. I have no idea how this site has lasted for so many years despite your lack of presence. That was certainly an indepth analysis of QB VALUE. Now why don't you go spend some time working on that 78 IQ. Hate to break it to ya pal, but advertising your IQ of 78 isn't impressing anybody here.

 

BUSHWOOD

 

 

I love when complete idiots try to act intelligent.

[bushwood 1]

I love when complete idiots try to act intelligent.

 

still at it 78?? Actually, feeling even tougher on your second posting on fftoday. Comical how you come on this site calling someone an idiot, you get called out, and then you come right back with your childish/internet toughguy response. anyhow, back to the excimer laser, have a good one!!

 

One more quicky on QBs. I will stick to my guns and say the best format is starting two QBs. This has been debated on here before, actually each of the last two years. This is the one way of bringing QB value way up (nobody wants to be stuck with rex grossman as their #2 QB). Much the same way that nobody wants to be stuck with Chris Brown as their #2 RB.

 

bushwood

 

just to be silly -- imagine if starting lineups were 2 QBs and 1 RB, draft/team management would certainly be different

[rebooters 1]

True, a RB will not usually put up more TDs than a QB (unless they're named Priest or Shaun) but QB's also get hit harder in the negative points categories. Both INTs and fumbles lost are -2 points. Even a good QB in a good year can have 15 picks. A RB would have to have a pretty disastrous season to have even 3 or 4 lost fumbles.

ive been playing FF for 8 years now and i finally am commissioning a league. our scoring system is 5/pass td and 7/rush,rec td. but we only deduct 1 pt for int and fumble lost. does this make any difference to you that its not -2pts for int's?

thanks.