Baseball HOF selections announced today.

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It's good fun. You present a good case without being a d!ck about it.

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Yes he did. He offered that the fact that we even had to talk about it proves it was detrimental. Records are being broken by people we know cheated to break them. If you think that isn't detrimental let me offer you a personal perspective. I grew up in Los Angeles during the Tommy Lasorda era. You can believe I loved the Dodgers and baseball. I'll never forget Kirk Gibson's grand slam. Nowadays, I don't give a crap about baseball. Much of that (not all) has to do with the fact that the last 10 years of the game are worthless and irrelevant. I still love baseball live. It's one of the most enjoyable live sporting experiences there is IMO. I live in Denver now and will go to Rockies games for the environment and the fun. I won't support baseball in any other way. They've lost me until they prove to me that they care about the game and it's traditions. A good first step would be clearing all records of known steroid users from the books.

 

"Clearing the record of known steroid users?"

 

So that means anybody who has been proven of taking steroids should have their records cleaned? Like Palmeiro and Mota (et al)? Or should we clear all who have been accused at one point or another of steroid use, like McGwire, Bonds, Clemens...?

 

You're using a personal feeling as fact, however strong that personal feeling may or may not be.

 

I have said all along, compared to his peers McGwire does not deserve to be let in, he was good, not great. The fact that 77% of his peers voted against him speaks to the fact that there is a steroid era and McGwire did not distinquish himself during it.

 

You stated that McGwire and Sosa's actions were to the detriment of MLB, all I have ever asked for is an example of how. You have shown nothing other then baseball talk is increased this off season.

 

You yourself say that baseball popularity has been declining for 30 years, yet you want to blame it on steroids. I simply acknowledge that there is no evidence that steroids have been bad for baseball and may have helped speed the recovery from the strike in '94.

 

When did 77% of his peers vote against him? The Baseball Writers Association of America (with 10 years consecutive service) vote on the Hall of Fame. I believe I heard Tony Gwynn quoted yesterday as saying he believes McGwire should be in.

 

"My not voting for McGwyre is a statement to all players who abused steroids. Thye will not get in the HOF!" When told that McGwyre had never been proven to use any illegal substance, the writer repied "'So what?"

 

This, right here, has been my point the whole way. He has never been proven to have done something wrong yet is being penalized. For all the "smoke" there has never been proof. And he admits to using andro, which in all likelihood could have been the reason for his success and increased bulk... and was legal.