Playoff seeding

[m4rk0 0]

As commissioner of an MFL league I need to set the playoff seeds for next week. I have 3 teams tied for the last seed. Tie breakers are set up as head-to-head, then division records, then total points. Who's the #6 seed from these 3 teams?

 

 

Team A: Beat Team B two times and never played Team C. Division record of 4-6 and has 1263.38 total points

 

Team B: Two losses vs Team A and beat Team C one time. Division record of 4-6 and has 1101.82 points

 

Team C: Never played Team A and lost to Team B once. Division record of 5-5 and has 1299.38 points.

 

 

 

GAHHH!!!! Help me rank these teams please before I have a mutiny.

[IN$TANT REPAY 11]

If you have 2 teams in one division and a third team in another division, then you should break the division tie first.

 

Then take the two remaining teams and apply a head-to-head tie-break if they played against each other. Then you should have seedings for the 3 teams. The team that lost out in the first division tie-breaker is ranked last.

 

If the teams are all in different divisions, then you take all of the common opponents that they have played this season add up their records, calculate a winning percentage of their records against common opponents (2-2 = .500) and rank them accordingly. If they all have the same winning percentage against common opponents, then you should move to points as the next tie-breaker.

 

 

Use MFL's new application for help with the records of teams in the games that have been played against other teams this season. You can open up 3 pages and use the pull down menu to display info for each team on a different page. Go down the list to look for each common opponent of each team on each page. Having all of the info infront of you at one time will make it easier. Or you could just print out each team's history page for this season and highlight the teams that each of them have played.

 

To find this info go to:

 

Reports > Records > All-Time Series Records

 

Here is how we did it in one of my leagues:

http://www16.myfantasyleague.com/2009/home/22668

 

hth

[Dan 66]

If they are all in the same division, Team C is the top team in this grouping, as 5-5 as a division record would be the tie-breaker (#2).

 

If they are in separate divisions, then Team C is the top team in this group, by virtue of highest point total.

 

Stick to the tie-breakers you've listed. Don't try to outthink yourself. You're wrapping your head up in the sweeps between teams, but the multi-team tie-breaker demands that they all have played each other for it to matter at all. They haven't, move on. Division record - in favor of C (if all in the same division). If not, the division tie-breaker is not applicable, move on. Total points - Clearly, team C is the last playoff entrant.

 

If you need them ranked further, C being now out of the mix, Team A is next in line by virtue of the sweep against Team B.

 

Final Rank:

 

#6 - Team C

#7 - Team A

#8 - Team B

[m4rk0 0]

Thanks guys.

[Dan 66]

If you have 2 teams in one division and a third team in another division, then you should break the division tie first.

 

Then take the two remaining teams and apply a head-to-head tie-break if they played against each other. Then you should have seedings for the 3 teams. The team that lost out in the first division tie-breaker is ranked last.

 

If the teams are all in different divisions, then you take all of the common opponents that they have played this season add up their records, calculate a winning percentage of their records against common opponents (2-2 = .500) and rank them accordingly. If they all have the same winning percentage against common opponents, then you should move to points as the next tie-breaker.

Use MFL's new application for help with the records of teams in the games that have been played against other teams this season. You can open up 3 pages and use the pull down menu to display info for each team on a different page. Go down the list to look for each common opponent of each team on each page. Having all of the info infront of you at one time will make it easier. Or you could just print out each team's history page for this season and highlight the teams that each of them have played.

 

To find this info go to:

 

Reports > Records > All-Time Series Records

 

Here is how we did it in one of my leagues:

http://www16.myfantasyleague.com/2009/home/22668

 

hth

 

I think this would be wrong. Common opponents is not a listed tie-breaker. Getting into what is NOT given to everyone is cause for mutiny, as it starts to look like the numbers are being twisted to get "the right team" in.

[m4rk0 0]

I should have mentioned that seeding is the best 6 teams regardless of division. The only time divisions come into play in this league is the extra payout for division winners and the 2nd tiebreaker (division record) for playoff seeding.

[Dan 66]

I should have mentioned that seeding is the best 6 teams regardless of division. The only time divisions come into play in this league is the extra payout for division winners and the 2nd tiebreaker (division record) for playoff seeding.

 

I get that. I stand by what I said. Any team but C goes to the playoff, there is some 'splainin' to do. . .

[m4rk0 0]

I get that. I stand by what I said. Any team but C goes to the playoff, there is some 'splainin' to do. . .

 

Yeah. Before your first response i already had them ranked as C, A, and B. Nice to get confirmation.

[m4rk0 0]

Guy at work just told me it should be Team A getting the playoff seed since they beat Team B twice and Team C lost to team B.

[swandown 0]

As commissioner of an MFL league I need to set the playoff seeds for next week. I have 3 teams tied for the last seed. Tie breakers are set up as head-to-head, then division records, then total points.

 

First off, if you use Division Record to break a tie between teams in different divisions, then you should be fired as Commish.

 

That said, here's how I would break it down:

 

METHOD #1 (if you use Division Record for teams in different divisions)

 

1. head-to-head does not apply (not all teams played each other)

2. Teams A & B are eliminated by virtue of lesser division records

3. Team C wins

 

METHOD #2 (if you DON'T use Division Record for teams in different divisions)

 

1. head-to-head does not apply (not all teams played each other)

2. division record does not apply (since teams are in different divisions)

3. Teams A & B are eliminated by virtue of lesser total points

4. Team C wins

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

Yeah. Before your first response i already had them ranked as C, A, and B. Nice to get confirmation.

 

 

I agree... it's team C all the way.

 

When you have three teams... head to head only works if one team clearly has the advantage over the other two teams. That isn't the case here since Team C didn't play Team A. So you go to your next tiebreakers... which Team C controls both of.

 

Also... in my opinion, if divisions don't mean anything for playoff seeding, you should just go Head to Head, then total points.

[swandown 0]

Guy at work just told me it should be Team A getting the playoff seed since they beat Team B twice and Team C lost to team B.

Guy at work is an idiot.

 

Team C might have crushed Team A if they actually played each other. But since you'll never know, you can't assume that Team A is the better team. What if Team A lost to some other team that got crushed by Team C?

[m4rk0 0]

First off, if you use Division Record to break a tie between teams in different divisions, then you should be fired as Commish.

 

Yeah I agree the rules need some major overhaul for next year. Last year was the inaugural year and we made drastic changes prior to this year but obviously didn't consider every factor. We were even contemplating getting rid of divisions all together.

 

I think next year I will propose 4 divisions of 3 teams. Play your division twice and every other team once. Tie breakers to be H2H then total points.

 

 

EDIT: and unfortunately many of the team owners don't go over the rules with a fine toothed comb so anything overlooked like this doesn't get noticed until it's too late.

[Dan 66]

Guy at work just told me it should be Team A getting the playoff seed since they beat Team B twice and Team C lost to team B.

 

This is what is known as a logical fallacy. His logic is sound, but makes certain assumptions that don't hold in sports and games like fantasy football. The argument only stands if, in every single instance, where Team A beats Team B, and Team B beats Team C, that Team A also beats Team C. Only then can we "logically" and reasonably put Team A in. But teams win in circles frequently, breaking the logical pattern. The NFL recognizes the same thing, and for that reason skips the tie-breaker if every team in the tie has not played each other.

 

Sorry, your guy at work didn't think it through.

[IN$TANT REPAY 11]

I think this would be wrong. Common opponents is not a listed tie-breaker. Getting into what is NOT given to everyone is cause for mutiny, as it starts to look like the numbers are being twisted to get "the right team" in.

 

 

It is not "common opponents" It is winning percentage amonst the teams that they have all played against aka "winning percentage among common opponents."

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,347]

Mark another one down for

 

C---A---B

 

link this thread on your website for explainations if needed

 

in the future add this disclaimer

 

in the event of a 3 or more way tie, the first tie-breaker is total points. Then once it gets down to 2 teams left it goes to H2H rules

 

ex:

Team A 1200 beat team C

Team B 1300

Team C 1250

Team D 1400

 

3 spots availaible the spots would goto Teams D, B and A even though C has more points

[Dan 66]

It is not "common opponents" It is winning percentage amonst the teams that they have all played against aka "winning percentage among common opponents."

 

I stand corrected.

[Matthew's Berry's 0]

12 team, 3 divisions

 

We used to use H2H and Divisional Records for tiebreaking the teams for wildcard spots.

But what we learned was the "best fantasy teams" seemed to get shafted year after year ... left bad taste in EVERYONE'S mouth.

 

So for Divisional Winners it was a no brainer on using Divisional Records to break it.

BUT for the 3 Wildcard Spots we went to just TOTAL POINTS as the tiebreaker.

 

Didn't seem fair to use Divisional because you are allowing teams in based on their COMPETITION, not the team itself.

And most leagues have an unbalanced schedule, doesn't seem fair to again use it when you aren't dealing with apples 2 apples.

Plus people use "common opponents", but technically that's not true, because you have bye weeks and teams change constantly, making them "uncommon".

 

For the past two years we have adopted the TOTAL POINTS tiebreaker and everyone loves it ... sure we use H2H to get your overall record (fun, lucky, everyone has a chance any given Sunday) but when it comes to tiebreakers the BEST team should get the spots ... and in fantasy, it's based on POINTS.

 

It's cleaner, easier and gosh darn it people are happy now.

[Ras66not99 0]

You Gotta use CONFRENCE records in the future... (assuming you have 4 divisions of course)

[m4rk0 0]

We're thinking of scrapping divisions all together next season. Talked to a couple owners last night about it.

 

12 teams and top 6 seeds make the playoffs. Top 2 seeds get the bye. Tie breakers would be H2H and total points.