vipers 0 Posted July 21, 2006 can anyone tell me what's up??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 vipers is in - invite sent. Rye & Leaf and lguero1 - hang tight and we'll see if anyone bails. Why do you guys always wait to the last minute? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rye & Leaf 0 Posted July 21, 2006 vipers is in - invite sent. Rye & Leaf and lguero1 - hang tight and we'll see if anyone bails. Why do you guys always wait to the last minute? just got home from work.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 just got home from work.. If we get this rolling with the other 11 I'll give you my spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lguero1 4 Posted July 21, 2006 pigeons from matamoros didn't want to play poker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 Its pretty easy. In fact, I think we'll find it much better than last week. Sign in, then under the "My Options" box on the left click "Draft". You'll be taken to a screen where you can pre-select picks BUT... since we are doing this live, near the top of the page will be a link to switch to Live Draft mode. Go there. Looks like they've redesigned the look of this, but essentially there will be updated picks and a chat window for commentary, ridicule, etc. Everyone sign in ready to start at 9:00! Get the beer on ice. I'll see you in an hour. vipers - see above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rye & Leaf 0 Posted July 21, 2006 If we get this rolling with the other 11 I'll give you my spot. I couldnt take that.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 I couldnt take that.. You might get another spot. Send me an email. compiler@fftoday.com If anyone is reading this, we lost 1, so I need a replacement ASAP. You've got the 9th pick and Steven Jackson picked in the 1st. Send me an email compiler@fftoday.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 i sent an email I sent the invite. Your in the 9th spot and have SJax and Fitz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lguero1 4 Posted July 21, 2006 is the invitation though email. just give me the password, i know the site. tell me which player i am. like my team so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 is the invitation though email. just give me the password, i know the site. tell me which player i am. like my team so far. I can see you're logged. You're up. Oh - Hines Ward! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigSeXXXy 0 Posted July 21, 2006 Hey Mike sorry bout this I stayed at work to this draft and found out they had blocked the website, also found out I can't access my CBSSortsline Fantasy Site, might be time to find a new job, if I got to choose between work and Fantasy Football Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xenophobe 1 Posted July 21, 2006 Mike, Is there any way for non participants to view? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 Mike, Is there any way for non participants to view? Sure, here is the draft report. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xenophobe 1 Posted July 21, 2006 Sure, here is the draft report. I appreciate it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 We went to 12 rounds. Good times. Thanks to all you took part. Draft report link above, and here are the rosters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 315 Posted July 21, 2006 Sure, here is the draft report. thanks. I'll post some comments as I look over the draft. - fxdx made out great getting Rudi (1.12) and then Edge (2.01) it really looks like the end of the serpentine is a tough spot to draft out of this year. I'm drafting 11th (of 12) and I'd be thrilled to get Rudi/Edge. More likely, I'll have to take some combo of Manning/Owens/SSmith/Westbrook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 315 Posted July 21, 2006 - thewrecker was also drafting towards the end (8th) and it looks like he did well by taking Owens/SSmith with his first two picks. I believe this "league" is a 3wr/ppr format... wrecker is stacked at WR with his #3 being either Bryant or Moulds. His 3rd/4th round picks were OK too with Droughns and Addai... though I'd like to see Rhodes paired up with Addai. IMO, wrecker's WRs, QB & TE (see below) are strong enough that all you have to do is make sure that you have a starting RB to plug into your roster. Getting Addai/Rhodes, Benson/Jones, or even Dillon/Maroney should cover your ass. No, you won't likely have an elite RB out of those combos, but you do virtually guarantee that you'll have a starter to plug in every week while your elite WRs/QB/TE carry you to victory. He did well landing a top tier QB (Palmer @5.05) and TE (Shockey 6.05). Though I may have passed on Palmer there and taken Rhodes to go with Addai (Rhodes went @ 5.11)... it's a tough decision to make. I'm curious if thewrecker thought about Rhodes too... QBs like Culpepper, T Green, A Brooks, D Bledsoe were still available (and drafte late too). again, thanks. I'm gonna' keep looking this thing over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyeaser 3 Posted July 21, 2006 thanks mike, it was fun last night, let me know when you wanna run a another mock...thanks cyeaser Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 Good comments TDR. Not only is it ppr start 3 WR, but ppr start 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE and 1 flex RB-WR-TE, so you could start 4 WR if desired. Given the ppr and the potential to start 4, having strong WR is vital. I was surprised Edge fell so far, but at the same time I can't really argue with any picks before him. If I was doing it over, I'd look to Edge with my 1st and see if Cadillac could have fallen to the 2nd. If fxdx was set on 2 RB then probably wouldn't have happened. I liked the late draft spot early on securing a RB I feel is just as good as the 5th or 6th RB taken, and a top WR. I didn't think I got good value with the Driver pick in the 3rd (or it could have been better). I thought 4th/5th/6th rounds were good value at those points, but then later on these guys had a great knack for swiping players I was targetting (particularly Marion Barber and Ryan Moats). Given the 7 starters at RB/WR/TE and only 4 points per TD, it is highly recommended to wait, wait, wait on QB. I'd be very happy in this format having spent a 10th on Kurt Warner (13th QB drafted) and a 12th on Brett Favre (18th), and likely Leinart later on to handcuff Warner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyeaser 3 Posted July 21, 2006 ill tell you this, i think more so then in any other draft your draft selection is HUGE, this year...of course everyone wants to be top 3. but if you not you still have value later in the draft. depending on how your league scores, you can be 1st pick take LJ, and still come back with 2 top flight players at rb or wr...and i agree with mike too much value at QB to feel you have to grab one early...after the top 4-5 there all pretty much a coin flip, and alot of depth at wr and rb this year.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 315 Posted July 21, 2006 Not only is it ppr start 3 WR, but ppr start 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE and 1 flex RB-WR-TE, so you could start 4 WR if desired. Given the ppr and the potential to start 4, having strong WR is vital... Given the 7 starters at RB/WR/TE and only 4 points per TD, it is highly recommended to wait, wait, wait on QB. I'd be very happy in this format having spent a 10th on Kurt Warner (13th QB drafted) and a 12th on Brett Favre (18th), and likely Leinart later on to handcuff Warner. I didn't realize that all TDs were 4pt AND you had a flex. Agreed, even more reason to wait on a QB. But Mike, I can't believe you took Caddy over Edge (and Westbrook) in a PPR league. Looking it over, I didnt' think you had a great draft. Gonzo was a steal for you at 6.03 and Holt is always a fine #1WR, but I just don't like Caddy, Jamal Lewis, T Jones, R Dayne. IMO, UDubb had a GREAT draft. SA, Dom Davis, Curtis Martin, C Benson R Wayne, S Moss, I Bruce Cooley Eli U Dub can start 3 pass catching RB every week; his WRs look fine, his TE is good. And Eli should be a fine starting QB in a league where QBs are so de-rated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 I'll be the first to admit all of Lewis, TJones and Dayne have some warts. At the Lewis pick though... or even if I had taken RB where I took Driver, the choices were Dunn (who I don't like), Lewis, Dillon or Addai. Pick your poison there. I think Lewis is being vastly underrated in drafts this year. He isn't ideal for this format, but at that point I like him. TJones works for me because I don't think Benson can catch. Dayne - meh. I hate dealing with Denver RBs but I think the value was there at that pick. Caddy - I love this guy. He got injured because he got misused last year. A more sensible approach and he is going to light it up all season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 315 Posted July 21, 2006 I'll be the first to admit all of Lewis, TJones and Dayne have some warts. At the Lewis pick though... or even if I had taken RB where I took Driver, the choices were Dunn (who I don't like), Lewis, Dillon or Addai. Pick your poison there. I think Lewis is being vastly underrated in drafts this year. He isn't ideal for this format, but at that point I like him. TJones works for me because I don't think Benson can catch. Dayne - meh. I hate dealing with Denver RBs but I think the value was there at that pick. Caddy - I love this guy. He got injured because he got misused last year. A more sensible approach and he is going to light it up all season. I guess, I like Lewis better *IF* you get M Anderson too; Jones *IF* you get Benson... and so on. Really my favorite is Addai/Rhodes... whoever IND plugs in will produce. The overall point being that IF you are scraping for RBs in those mid rounds, you aren't looking for an elite player; you're just looking to avoid disaster. Locking up BOTH guys achieves that for you and really all you're passing on is a mid-grade WR (and they're a dime a dozen). Also, why don't you like Dunn? sure his recpts. have dropped since going to ATL but this is Vick's 3rd year in the WCOFF and Dunn's "decline" to 30 catches isn't that bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 Also, why don't you like Dunn? sure his recpts. have dropped since going to ATL but this is Vick's 3rd year in the WCOFF and Dunn's "decline" to 30 catches isn't that bad. I know Dunn is a guy always brought up as being undervalued because of his end of season totals vs. where he is drafted. I just don't think he helps as much as people who call him undervalued think he does. He puts up good totals by scoring modestly from week to week. With modest weekly scores though, as a result and in my opinion, he isn't a guy who "wins games" for you. The lack of TDs and not enough touches in a week make it a tough task for him. He needs to score from distance. He had 4 TD last year and 3 of them were from outside 20 yards. The year before was admittedly better in the TD department. Now might be a good time to break out some new features a lot of you may not have noticed... Crank Score Calculator Most of you know about Matt Waldman's Gut Check articles from the main site, including his development of Crank Scores. The most recent article (and first for 2006) was published last week. Part of our offseason plan was to build an online Crank Score Calculator. That is now done and you can be the first FF Today users to find it and take it for a spin, here. It is integrated with My FF Today's custom scoring and track players features, and overall, is pretty slick I think. If you want to do more with Crank Scores, check out this new tool. Example: 2005 RB Crank Scores, View Number of Games w/ WCOFF scoring Stats Page Improvements A couple of small things here but worth noting... first, the player pages now include pass completion % for QBs, rushing average for QB and RB and receiving average for RB, WR and TE. And for those of you in leagues with distance scoring bonuses, I've added TD Distance data for every TD scored, by type, to the player pages. This is included under the game logs. Since it wouldn't fit beside each week, you can just read it in order from each player's first TD of the year to the last. To see examples of these changes, here is Warrick Dunn's page (WCOFF scoring). Also I've made a small but nice addition to the My FF Today track players feature. From your My FF Today control panel page you can now add players by searching their last name, instead of tracking down each player page and adding them that way (which still works too, btw). With our news staff churning out the news like never before, I think the My FF Today track players feature will be incredibly beneficial this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 315 Posted July 21, 2006 I know Dunn is a guy always brought up as being undervalued because of his end of season totals vs. where he is drafted. I just don't think he helps as much as people who call him undervalued, think he does. He puts up good totals by scoring modestly from week to week. With modest weekly scores though, as a result and in my opinion, he isn't a guy who "wins games" for you. The lack of TDs and not enough touches in a week make it a tough task for him. I'm glad I was able to help you launch into that beautiful sales pitch But for Dunn, you posted: He puts up good totals by scoring modestly from week to week. and that's why I like him. I believe that If you are looking to take Dunn on the 3rd/4th turn, it's because you did NOT get 2 RBs with your first picks... you are probably VERY strong at WR and really are just looking for a reliable RB to plug in. Guys like Addai/J Lew/Dillon are risky because they may get you NOTHING... all you really need is mediocre production out of that RB so that the strength of you team can carry you. So, for my money, you've got to make a choice: use ONE draft pick to take Dunn and accept that he'll be a role player that pitches in 8 - 12 points every week in support of your studs. OR use TWO draft picks to nab a combo of either Addai/Rhodes, J Lew/MAnderson, Dillon/Maroney and accept that you've secured yourself a starter with an outside shot of putting up great numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 Yes, thank you for the sales pitch setup. Too bad we're on page 2 of a post probably only you and I are reading I should have been clear. "He puts up good end of year totals by scoring modestly from week to week." So, my thought is the weekly totals are too modest (a.k.a. he isn't helping you win games) to be worth a 3rd/4th draft pick. The opposite of general thinking on Dunn... he is being taken too early for what he gives a team in a head-to-head format league. Its not like I've pushed the numbers on this comparing him to other players, and balanced the risk-reward of others who are less secure in their jobs (like guys in your pairings), but that is my perception of Dunn. He isn't a positive contributor to help me win a fantasy game, which explains my original comment why I don't like him and generally will not draft him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PatMcGroin88 0 Posted July 21, 2006 hey mike, how long did the draft take after? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 21, 2006 mike - been slammed at work lately and missed this topic altogether. please consider me for the next one, as I need to practice mocking for the WCOFF format. 10th overall pick....yeeeuugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-jb- 0 Posted July 21, 2006 Self-Evaluation: Looking back at my draft, I'm not thrilled with my team...two calculated errors and one conceptual issue attribute to this, which I suppose is all it takes. Team 1.04 RB Tiki Barber - Love this guy, and this pick. Gold in PPR. 2.09 WR Randy Moss - While I'm still on the fence with Moss, he was definitely the right pick here for me. If I went RB, I would have chosen from DD or McGahee, and would have come back around for Ward or D-Jax. Pretty much a toss-up 3.04 RB Kevin Jones - The guy burned me last year, but I still have him before FWP, Chester, and Droughns - all RBs to fall in the 3rd. Again, it's a question of Moss/KJ or DD/Ward - not much difference in my mind. 4.09 RB DeShaun Foster - I liked getting Foster here, but this pick ultimately leads me to one of my two errors. Other choices were Bell or SMoss. Given the line-up format, I was confident with a RB and the whole Dayne/Bell extravaganza makes me dislike the Denver situation. 5.04 QB Matt Hasslebeck - My first error. I can't get it through my head that you reeeeeeeally need to wait on QBs this year. In years past, the 5th round starts the QB run - NOT the case this year. 2 QBs in the 5th, 2 QBs in the 6th, 2 QBs in the 7th, 3 QBs in the 8th. I'd say the sweet spot this year is the 7th. YOU MUST WAIT ON QB. 6.09 WR Javon Walker - I actually really like this pick, but this slot was my demise. We'll all need to see some preseason for guys like Javon, but I think he will do well in Denver...of course this pick solidifies my second calculated error...I missed the boat on DeAngelo Williams, Foster's back-up. I was planning on drafting him at 7.04 and he got grabbed at 6.12. I'm terrible at timing the handcuff picks. This slot also confirms my "conceptual issue," which is having too many injury risks in my starting line-up (Moss, Foster, Walker). 7.04 WR Muhsin Muhammad - Meh. I needed a WR and there wasn't much left. K-Rob, Reggie Brown, and Drew Bennett were the other #1WRs left. Least of all evil, IMO. 8.09 TE Jason Witten - A very good value here. Glad I got him here. Nice and late, but right before Cooley and Miller got picked...the last of the quality TEs. Grade: C+ So, my errors are reaching on a QB, not grabbing a handcuff in time, and having too many injury risks. Talk about classic blunders....but that's why we mock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 mike - been slammed at work lately and missed this topic altogether. please consider me for the next one, as I need to practice mocking for the WCOFF format. 10th overall pick....yeeeuugh. Okay, I'll add you to the distribution list. I was in the 10 spot last night. How did I do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 21, 2006 Okay, I'll add you to the distribution list. I was in the 10 spot last night. How did I do? I'll go take a look-see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_scooter 0 Posted July 21, 2006 Favre, Brett GBP QB - 6 Warner, Kurt ARI QB - 9 Dayne, Ron DEN RB - 4 Jones, Thomas CHI RB - 7 Lewis, Jamal BAL RB - 7 Williams, Carnell TBB RB - 4 Clayton, Mark BAL WR - 7 Driver, Donald GBP WR - 6 Glenn, Terry DAL WR - 3 Holt, Torry STL WR - 7 Gonzalez, Tony KCC TE - 3 Winslow, Kellen CLE TE - 6 Where to start.... I am assuming that you went CWilliams -> THolt? I am not wild about these picks. I'm not sold on Caddy, and he gets taken out for Pittman on 3rd down or receiving plays. In a PPR format, he a bit rough. Was Rudi there? Just curious... The follow-up of JLewis is pretty solid though, and I'd be thrilled if I can get him at 3.10 - even though he's another guy without the receptions. If you took TGonz in the 4th, I think that's a little early, since he's pretty consistently been going later than that, but if you wanted him, I guess you had to take him there. Overall I like the team, but I'm not that high on Holt as to take him 2.03, when Owens should be there. I'd also be temped to take an Andre Johnson high upside type in the 4th instead of TGonz...not that TonyG isn't elite any more, but the dropoff between he & 4 or 5 other TEs you could have had a round+ later just isn't that significant this year. Plus if you're going to risk Warner as your QB, Favre isn't exactly a reliable backup considering his downward slide. It's not that he doesn't have talent - he just doesn't have the accuracy to lob it up like he used to - and it causes him to make bad decisions. Passes he used to drill into tiny spaces are now getting picked off instead. Overall, I giveit a B- but that has to do with my personal rankings of Holt & Caddy. One man's opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike MacGregor 20 Posted July 21, 2006 Gonzo in the 6th actually, which means you're probably not going to like Driver in the 3rd Another not liking Caddy in the 1st. I think there will be more Caddy and less Pittman than you're thinking. Draft Report Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vipers 0 Posted July 21, 2006 A glimpse into that draft for me last night and I'm not unhappy.. Bulger LJ,Taylor,Jones,D. Williams and Maroney Chambers, Boldin, AJohnson,BEdwards, Chad Jackson Heath Miller Tampa D Very solid everywhere but will have to watch the number two spot at RB. It was fun to get first mock of the season in but I will be picking fifth this year so won't be able to take LJ to start.. Would be to go to war with this squad... Give a B for grade because it sure makes it easy when you can start with one of the big three. Thanks Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 315 Posted July 21, 2006 I think there will be more Caddy and less Pittman than you're thinking. sell me on him Mike. Why. I'm drafting 11th (out of 12) this year and I'm dreading it because I don't want Caddy or Ronnie Brown with my first pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vipers 0 Posted July 21, 2006 would like some opinions on the VIPERS Squad....good or bad.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 315 Posted July 21, 2006 A glimpse into that draft for me last night and I'm not unhappy.. Bulger LJ,Taylor,Jones,D. Williams and Maroney Chambers, Boldin, AJohnson,BEdwards, Chad Jackson Heath Miller Tampa D I liked your first 3 picks... solid. It's the 4/5 turn that I didn't like. I'm not high on either Fred Taylor or A Johnson. I'd have preferred to see you nab the Benson/T Jones duo right there on the turn. Take 'em both and you'd have LJ paired up with a solid #2. then at the 6/7 turn I'd have taken Curtis Martin instead of DeAngelo. CuMar's the perfect #3 RB and you get great value. Bulger was nice at 7.01, good value there. at 8/9 I didn't like the Braylon Edwards pick. I'd have preferred A Bryant or I Bruce. and maybe I'd have taken the CHI D instead of Heath Miller. Watson, LJ Smith, McMichael, Winslow, and V Davis were all still on the board when you took Miller. That CHI D should be topps again especially with their schedule. I guess your roster could have been: Bulger LJ/TJones/C Benson/CuMar/Maroney Boldin/Chambers/Bryant/Chad Jackson Winslow CHI D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyeaser 3 Posted July 21, 2006 damn i guess nobody liked my squad... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
