Sean Mooney

So one perhaps silver lining the Democrats could take from this election is this: In the 7 battleground states there were 5 senate races- 4 of them were won by Democrats with the one in PA won by a guy who is more deep state than anything and had to try twice to gain Trump's love: In Nevada- Trump had 734,609 votes to Kamala's 688,981....Sam Brown lost the Senate getting 663K votes to Jacky Rosen's 685K- In Arizona- Trump had 1.7M to Kamala's 1.5M...Kari Lake lost getting 1.5M to Gallego's 1.6M In Wisconsin- Trump had 1.7M to Kamala's 1.66M...Eric Hovde lost getting 1.64M to Baldwin's 1.67M In Michigan- Trump had 2.8M to Kamala's 2.72 M...Mike ROgers lost with 2.69M to Slotkin's 2.70M In PA- Trump had 3.51M to Kamala's 3.37...McCormick won with 3.37M to Casey's 3.36M So in every race- the GOP senator candidate trailed Trump's voting total by varying numbers. In 3 of the 5 races the Democrat candidate was ahead of Kamala. It feels like another example of- people like Trump doing Trump stuff and not other people doing Trump stuff. I do think Republicans need to be careful about where they go because there is a pathway in which the party falls apart to some degree at the top once Trump is gone. A lot of it will depend on how much confidence people will have in Vance after these 4 years

Yup....the majority of this board is hardcore righties so it's natural they would get poked at more. If this board was mostly hardcore lefties I'd poke at them the whole time.....

What do you see as the distinction between the two.

Do we think Republicans don't eat their own as well? We could ask Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Paul Ryan, John Bolton, Kevin McCarthy, Mike Pence, etc The simple fact of politics is- you are useful until you are not- then you are forgotten and brushed aside for the next sycophant to step in. It isn't a left or right issue- it's a politics issue.

I've got a hunch that you are in the minority on this. Also, it isn't even about paying more- it's about the willingness of someone to do the work for the amount of money paid. Someone could be given 15 dollars an hour to help push cows into a milker and they'd still want 20.

Came across this article linked on another website I go to. Apparently AOC went on her Instagram and asked people "If you voted for Trump & Me or Trump & Dem in your area- can you tell me why?" Some of the responses are interesting. A lot of them boil down to- people think Dems are better at local levels and less so on a national level. Someone hilariously said "I wanted change, but I also wanted to put brakes on him..." I'll give her this- I don't particularly care for AOC but she has kind of risen above a lot of the rest of the trash group she associated with and you can see how she at least will try to understand the way people think. She still will try to hammer her views in at times but of all of them she seems to be the one most likely to reach across the aisle if need be.... https://www.jezebel.com/aoc-asked-voters-why-they-voted-for-her-trump-the-answers-are-interesting

Backing up to the Biden talk a minute...if he chooses not to pardon his son even knowing that might open Hunter up to an investigation (although Trump has floated pardoning Hunter or just letting it go) how do you view that move by Biden?

In an unrelated note: do sportsbooks take bets on women's volleyball?

On this though- the entire farming and agriculture industry is built on undocumented immigrant labor. Undocumented farm workers make up approximately 50% of the farm labor workforce. And people in the dairy industry estimate that the price of milk would double without their undocumented workers. According to CMS estimates, there are approximately 283,000 undocumented immigrants who work in the United States as agricultural workers. These individuals make up approximately 4 percent of the total undocumented workforce in United States.- that means there are almost 7 million undocumented workers in the US (and some estimates have it as high as 11 million). Take those people out and now you have 11 million jobs needing to be filled with people asking for more money. And when those jobs aren't filled- they will be cut leading to supply issues.

Bill Burr's monologue from this past Saturday. It was hilarious watching people react to this on Twitter. Of course a bunch of dopey far left people were clutching pearls over it all about "Oh, COVID jokes about the Chinese, telling women to it up...this is Trump's America." They are jokes. Jokes delivered by a guy who isn't a fan of Trump overall so as it is. It's good to see that the far left people are not learning any lessons from all of this and instead just want to cry louder. Mainstream democrats need to just tell the far left to piss off and grow the hell up. How can a bunch of people who grew up watching South Park and Family Guy not understand mocking everyone as a joke?

You probably can. You probably shouldn't

Looks like HT wants to keep illegal immigrants here now....Let's get him MAGA!

The easiest answer to immigration is pick some countries where the most people come from- send weepaws to one, send Hardcore Troubadouche to another.....after about an hour those governments will be like "Okay, we will take back everyone gratis just please take back these chuds. They are your problem." Then we should laugh at those governments and say- nah suckers....

There is already a bill for this in Congress.

jonmx has said "Ashli Babbitt was shot in the back....the police office snuck up on her....she was outnumbered 50:1" Here is video from a Paramount+ documentary trailer....you can clearly see the gun is in front of her to the side. You can see when the guy shoots. You can see that the people breaking through the glass hear "He has a gun" and from other angles you can see some of the guys back off. She stupidly tries to climb through the window. Again- she fvcked around and found out.

You are just fundamentally wrong on this. He was standing there

Thought this was interesting: If those numbers are accurate then deporting 10 million illegals would be 109 billion dollars. I would assume with inflation and everything those numbers are higher. Let's assume 10% higher. Now you are at 119,900,000,000

He shot her in the shoulder you dope. He was in front of where she was breaching. The video is there. How can you be this wrong about it?

Oh 100%. When that ad started running I thought "That's a good tagline." Then it ran over and over and over....

This is just fundamentally inaccurate on almost every level.

I think the minute you take a worker who is off the books and replace it with a worker on the books you are raising your costs. That will get passed to a consumer in some way or another. That italian restaurant in the example may not feel community effects of the price change but they will feel more global effects. As a case in point- i posted this a few weeks ago- somewhere around half of the people who work on farms in the dairy industry are undocumented immigrants. There is also this in a story about dairy farmers in Idaho: You run the risk of like what happened to the coal cracker towns in the middle of Pennsylvania. Those towns were built around mining and they had everything within a few square miles. Then the mining dried up...and those businesses went away....then the local food shops started closing....then the drug stores.....then the other businesses......then the bars......once the fundamental core is gone- everything around it dries up,

Where was this mentioned and discussed? Like who provided those numbers.? Also, do places have numbers for other types of patients? Even still too- there wasn't a sense that Democrats were specifically going in and saying "Yes let's chop pee pees" in the same way of "Well this local project gets money from HUD."

That bolded part is one of those devil in the details type things. 1.) If we believe the entire premise of this past election was the economy and the price of things...I think it's a little wishful thinking to think people will say "Well yeah that 2 for 25 at Chilis is now 2 for 35 and it's cool. 2.) I don't think we can assign "rich" and "poor" in those manners. 3.) The problem is those "lower class" citizens don't want those jobs. There is an inflated sense of worth when it comes to these things. If someone graduated high school and gets a job washing dishes they should probably get paid minimum wage (whatever that number is). The problem is people want minimum wage plus for that job....because the alternative is sitting at home and collecting the benefits that are available and not doing anything.

Is the "interesting strawman" the argument you are putting forward?

When did Bernie not have socialist policies? Bernie is, and pretty much always has been, what people argue everyone on the left is.