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I've been playing fantasy football for 16 years now and my favorite part of the season has always been the draft- and I like to think that I've developed a good sense of how to rank players based on relative value depending on the scoring system. However this year I am entering my first-ever dynasty league- (12 team, standard scoring, NON-PPR, start QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, FLEX, K, DEF) and I am having a difficult time determining where to rank WRs in the first few rounds. From round 3 on I will likely just take the best player available based on positional need, relative value, draft equity, etc.... but getting started is a bit harder. Given the high turnover rate among the top RBs from year-to-year, it would seem smart to go the safe route and take a top flight receiver early. CJ, AJG, Julio, and maybe Dez Bryant would all be first round selections if this were a PPR league. But this is NON-PPR and only start 2 WRs so WRs should drop accordingly. The problem I'm having though is that while their immediate value is less than that of RBs like Ray Rice, Peterson, Foster, they will certainly have much more longevity. But then again this year (and likely for many years to come) RB is extremely shallow whereas WR is quite deep. Here's what I'm thinking for my top 15 (I pick at 10 and 15). We're having a separate rookie draft where I pick 3rd (planning to take Bell, Bernard, Austin, or Ball). 1. Doug Martin 2. Trent Richardson 3. CJ Spiller 4. Calvin Johnson 5. Jamaal Charles 6. LeSean McCoy 7. Adrian Peterson 8. AJ Green 9. Arian Foster 10. Ray Rice 11. Alfred Morris 12. Julio Jones 13. Dez Bryant 14. Jimmy Graham 15. Matt Forte others to consider- (A.Rogers, M. Lynch, D. Wilson, A. Luck, C. Newton, D. Thomas) Right now I'm thinking I'll go RB-RB giving me two of the following (Foster, Rice, Morris, Forte) but I can't stop thinking that it would be silly to pass on the long-term value of Julio, Dez, or Graham (even in Non-PPR, start 2 WRs). Thoughts?? Show me what your top-15 would be. Anyone out there in a non-ppr dynasty?

I realize that this topic is probably better suited for the "a little help" board but I thought it had some value here as well as a discussion on non-ppr dynasty leagues

I've been playing fantasy football for 16 years now and my favorite part of the season has always been the draft- and I like to think that I've developed a good sense of how to rank players based on relative value depending on the scoring system. However this year I am entering my first-ever dynasty league- (12 team, standard scoring, NON-PPR, start QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, FLEX, K, DEF) and I am having a difficult time determining where to rank WRs in the first few rounds. From round 3 on I will likely just take the best player available based on positional need, relative value, draft equity, etc.... but getting started is a bit harder. Given the high turnover rate among the top RBs from year-to-year, it would seem smart to go the safe route and take a top flight receiver early. CJ, AJG, Julio, and maybe Dez Bryant would all be first round selections if this were a PPR league. But this is NON-PPR and only start 2 WRs so WRs should drop accordingly. The problem I'm having though is that while their immediate value is less than that of RBs like Ray Rice, Peterson, Foster, they will certainly have much more longevity. But then again this year (and likely for many years to come) RB is extremely shallow whereas WR is quite deep. Here's what I'm thinking for my top 15 (I pick at 10 and 15). We're having a separate rookie draft where I pick 3rd (planning to take Bell, Bernard, Austin, or Ball). 1. Doug Martin 2. Trent Richardson 3. CJ Spiller 4. Calvin Johnson 5. Jamaal Charles 6. LeSean McCoy 7. Adrian Peterson 8. AJ Green 9. Arian Foster 10. Ray Rice 11. Alfred Morris 12. Julio Jones 13. Dez Bryant 14. Jimmy Graham 15. Matt Forte others to consider- (A.Rogers, M. Lynch, D. Wilson, A. Luck, C. Newton, D. Thomas) Right now I'm thinking I'll go RB-RB giving me two of the following (Foster, Rice, Morris, Forte) but I can't stop thinking that it would be silly to pass on the long-term value of Julio, Dez, or Graham (even in Non-PPR, start 2 WRs). Thoughts?? Show me what your top-15 would be. Anyone out there in a non-ppr dynasty?

Regardless of whether or not active players should be allowed in this discussion.... I personally choose to eliminate actives based on my own personal "HOF" standards. With that being said, my 5 would have to be (in no particular order) 1. Marshall Faulk 2. Ladanian Tomlinson 3. Emmitt Smith 4. Jerry Rice 5. Brett Favre

"Standard Scoring"... which for my league means 4pts passing TDS, 6pts rushing/receiving, 1pt/25 yds passing, 1pt/10yds rushing/receiving 1. Foster 2. Mccoy 3. Rice 4. Rogers 5. Chris Johnson 6. Brady 7. Calvin Johnson 8. Brees 9. Forte 10. Murray 11. Graham 12. Gronkowski Honorable mention: Mcfadden, Richardson, MJD, Ryan Mathews, Charles, Stafford, Peterson, Julio Jones I've never seen so many high risk/reward-type players in Rounds 1/2. Question marks everywhere this year.

1. A. Rogers 2. T. Brady 3. M. Stafford 4. D. Brees 5. C. Newton 6. M. Vick 7. M. Ryan 8. T. Romo 9. P. Rivers 10. P. Manning 11. E. Manning 12. R. Griffin III 13. B. Roethlisberger 14. C. Palmer 15. J. Cutler 16. R. Fitzpatrick 17. M. Schaub 18. M. Flynn 19. A. Luck 20. A. Dalton

Last week I traded Beanie (pre-injury news) along w/Julio Jones for Miles Austin (post injury news). I think I definitely got the better end of the deal (especially after finding out that Beanie also had an injured hammy) but I think my trade is still an accurate reflection of where his value was. Unfortunately for you, his value has dropped significantly since then. Maybe throw out a couple offers (for some high end WR2s), but you might be better off waiting it out and crossing your fingers that he plays well this week to raise his value again.

Standard scoring, non-ppr, start 1QB,2RB,2WR,TE,Flex,K,Def My roster (prior to my first trade): QB-Vick, Newton, Stafford RB-Hillis, Bradshaw, F.Jones, B.Wells, Hightower, Helu, McCluster WR-Lloyd, Julio Jones, Lance Moore, Denarius Moore, G.Little, McCluster TE-D.Clark K-A.Henry Def-Oakland My depth at QB and RB is ridiculous and I feel like the time to upgrade is now. Deal #1 (complete): I just traded Beanie and Julio Jones for Miles Austin. The team I traded with was incredibly weak at RB (Beanie will be his RB1) and he's started off 0-2 and can't afford to wait for Austin to get healthy. How'd I do? Deal #2 (pending approval) I've been offered J.Finley and E.Decker for Stafford and D.Clark. I think I'm going to accept considering I have a more than adequate backup in Cam Newton (apparently thus far anyways) and Dallas Clark seems pretty worthless w/out Manning (his TD this week came in garbage time-he was practically invisible prior to that). Is Finley + Decker enough value for Stafford right now or should I wait it out? My roster will be as follows if I take the deal: QB: Vick, Newton RB: Hillis, Bradshaw, F.Jones, Hightower, Helu, Mccluster WR: M.Austin, B.Lloyd, L.Moore, D.Moore, Little, Mccluster TE: Finley K: Henery Def: Oakland Will answer yours. Post link.

Players I'd be targeting for Welker in a ppr would be, in order... Chris Johnson, Forte, Hillis, J.Best, MJD, A.Foster, A.Bradshaw, Mendenhall, M.Turner, B.Wells, Sjax, Blount, Hightower, Tolbert, Sproles (only b/c ppr) If you're going for a player near the top of that list you'll prob have to package a decent RB2/3 as well. If you're targeting a player near the bottom the list you could prob ask them to include a WR2/3. Here's mine... http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=389755

I would do Hillis for Megatron straight up. I'm actually a lot higher on Hillis than most too (Browns homer). The main problem w/Hillis is going to be his schedule down the stretch and in the playoffs. 4 of the Browns last 5 games are against Baltimore/Pittsburgh. The fact that you get D.Thomas is a nice bonus! Take the deal! Here's mine... http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=389755

I really like Knox/Bush for Ingram/Mike Williams I like Newton/Branch better than Green/Thomas but would take either of those deals I like any of the deals involving Gore/V.Davis... especially for CJ/Mathews A week ago I would have said go for Djax for Hightower I'm a lot more hesitant now. You do have Helu though so hmm...

Stand pat! KC has looked horrible thus far and just lost their top playmaker. Perhaps that means that they will have to rely on Bowe more but I personally feel like the opposite effect is more likely. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Jordy Nelson finishes ahead of Bowe this year. Bradshaw shared caries last year too and finished w/ 1550 yds and 8tds. Shonn Green also shares caries and hasn't shown much of anything outside of a couple productive playoff games (before they had LT).

Agree that you should take the deal. Gronkowski is looking like he should easily finish as a top 3 TE this year (especially w/Hernandez out for a month). You're right that the time to get him is now. Mendenhall is off to a slow start but he's still a legit RB1. Cam Newton looks ridiculous right now. If he can consistently add 5-10 points on the ground each game I can't see how he could have a bad week. 200 yds, 1td, 3ints would yield most QBs 6 points. If Newton adds 50 and a TD on the ground to that it becomes 17. Not a bad bonus. I'm curious to know who your starting QB and TE are right now. Basically this comes down to Mccoy-Mendenhall vs. (Gronkowski-Olsen) + (Newton-Cutler/Bradford). I like the right side of the equation more. Here's mine... http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=389755

There are new faces b/c of injuries.... the injury to Steinbach (LG out for the year) is pretty devestating. He was a fantastic compliment to Joe Thomas and served as our primary pulling guard for Hillis. Tony Pashos is also hurt right now (browns RT). He should be back in another week or two (most likely not this week though). Jason Pinkston (rookie) is starting in place of steinbach at it is yet to be determined how he'll pan out. It will likely be slow going for him early in the season. A shortened training camp doesn't bode well for a rookie lineman. Coaches have said good things about him though so perhaps with time he'll be an adequate replacement. Overall, I am a bit concerned but with the best tackle in the game (Joe Thomas) and an elite young Center (Alex Mack) the Browns still have a very talented line. They just need some more time to gel as a cohesive unit.

The Browns may have lost to Cincy last week but to say that they shouldn't be favored "against anyone" is a bit extreme considering... 7 penalties and several sub 30 yd. punts (punter has been cut) resulted in the Bengals having ridiculous field position for the entire first quarter. After the 1st the Browns D looked pretty damn good, granted it's the Bengals, but the point remains. Cincy's second TD came on a fluke play (Browns never got out of the huddle and Gradkowski just lobbed it up to A.J. Green who had no one within 30 yds of him). Their 3rd score came at the end of the game when the Browns needed a stop on 3rd down to keep the game alive. It was an all out run blitz so once Benson got through the line there was no one left (1 yd was the same as a TD in that situation. Either way the game was over). The offense didn't look great but I think much of that had to do poor play calling and the fact that they were starting two new lineman (injuries). The Browns will almost certainly feed the ball to Hillis considerably more this week. Give the new line a week in practice to work things out and things should look much better. And as an added bonus, the Browns are planning to shake up their recieving depth chart this week to get their best playmakers (Cribbs and Little) more time on the field. Far too many sets last week featuring Robiske (never gets open- horrible route runner). I'd take the Browns in this one even if it was -6.5.

I find it odd that people are suddenly so down on the Eagles this year. At times last year they looked like one of the most dominant teams in NFL history! Yes, teams are starting to figure Vick out and Maclin's illness is likely to stunt the offense a bit at the beginning of the year... But even taking those things into consideration this team has improved greatly since last season. I understand people on this board not being as high on them/Vick as the national media is but they certainly deserve a mention! Here's how I rank the QBs most likely to win their first ring... 1. VICK (with that being said I like the chances of another QB repeating better, i.e. Rogers, Tom Brady) 2. Matt Ryan 3. Mark Sanchez 4. Philip Rivers 5. Tony Romo 6. COLT MCCOY! (I'm an eternally optimistic Browns homer)

You absolutelyneed to trade for a RB, and it's not going to be Foster or Peterson. The owner would have to be really high on Manning/Brees and maybe scared off by Foster's hammy problems to even consider that. I suppose it could be worth a try but no smart fantasy football owner would make that deal. A more even deal would be Manning & Greg Jennings for Foster or Peterson (but even then I doubt he'd do it). Manning's value right now (at best) is that of a high end RB2. Therefore, you should be looking at names such as Peyton Hillis, Matt Forte, Frank Gore, Steven Jackson, Ahmad Bradshaw, Felix Jones, LaGarette Blount, and Jahvid Best (in that order in my opinion). Look to see if any teams with those players have a weakness at QB and make a deal. Maybe you could even work out a deal for one of the lower ranked guys (Bradshaw, Jones, Blout, Best) plus a low-end/high upside WR2 (Kenny Britt, Jeremy Maclin, Ochocinco, Percy Harvin, Mario Manningham, Mike Thomas). Good luck. Interesting strategy going with Brees and Manning!

Standard scoring, non-ppr for both leagues. Start QB,RB,RB,WR,WR,TE,FLEX,K,DEF. 8th pick, drafted 8/22... QB Vick (1.08) Stafford (10.05) V.Young (15.08) RB Hillis (2.05) Bradshaw (3.08) F.Jones (5.08) C.Wells (8.05) Hightower (9.08) R.Helu (12.05) J.Harper (18.05) WR B.Lloyd (4.05) Julio Jones (7.08) L.Moore (11.08) D.Amendola (13.08) G.Little (14.05) TE D.Clark (6.05) K A.Henry (16.05) DEF Atlanta (17.08) 11th pick, drafted 8/24... QB Vick (1.11) Cam Newton (14.02) RB Hillis (2.02) J.Best (4.02) P.Thomas (7.11) Hardesty (9.11) Spiller (10.02) J.Harrison (13.11) WR M.Wallace (3.11) W.Welker (6.02) A.Collie (8.02) A.J.Green (11.11) J.Nelson (12.02) TE J.Finley (5.11) K A.Henry (15.11) DEF Oakland (16.02) These teams are somewhat similar with me taking Vick/Hillis 1/2 in both drafts. I think I like the first team a lot more because of my depth at RB but my second team is a bit more well-rounded (better WRs).

I agree 100%. I feel like 4th or 5th round is a steal right now for a guy that had 1,448 and 11 last year. He's obviously unlikely to reach those numbers again this year with a change in coaching style and an improved defense (time will tell on that but they should be better). However, I still see him as having a floor of 1,000 and 8 with a ceiling approaching that of last year. Definitely seems like a WR1 to me and he's being drafted like a WR2.

1. Steve Johnson- Emerged as Fitzpatrick's favorite target midway through the year. Now he enters the season as the unquestioned #1. His targets should increase slightly this year (and possibly his stats- from 1,000yds, 10tds) 2. Manningham- Many of Steve Smith's 75 targets from last year are likely to go his way. He could easily go for 1,000+ 10 (nearly did last year being 3rd on the depth chart for much of the year) 3. Britt- I have Britt as my #1 choice for WR3. Questions loom with his QB and possible suspension preventing me from ranking him any higher than that. Once he takes the field though he's instantly a WR2 with WR1 upside (assuming Hasselbeck remains healthy/productive). 4. Maclin- Similar situation to Britt (although for very different reasons). He's a top WR3 right now. If he gets back to 2010 form (to be determined) he's a WR2 with WR1 upside. 5. 85- 'Touchdown Twitaker' said it best here. Even in the years he's been productive, it's inconsistent.

Bradshaw in the 8th? Felix in the 9th? Beanie in the 13th? Assuming that the league you play in is halfway decent, I wouldn't put much stock in this mock draft at all. In most leagues Bradshaw should be gone by late 3rd, Felix by the late 5th, and Beanie by the 7th or 8th (and any of them could easily go earlier than that.... I've seen Bradshaw go in the 2nd and Felix as high as the 3rd). If you're taking Vick in the first round (or any non-RB for that matter), two of your next three picks almost certainly need to be at RB. I could see justification in taking Calvin Johnson at 18 if he's there (or another one of the top 5 recievers) but regardless, you'll most likely be putting yourself in an unpleasant situation if you wait until the 5th round to take your first RB. I just drafted last night and took Vick in the first round (8). I followed that up with RB, RB, WR, RB, TE, WR. We start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1RB/WR/TE, K, DEF (standard scoring, non-PPR). Here's how it went... 1. (8) Vick QB 2. (17) Hillis RB 3. (32) Bradshaw RB 4. (41) Lloyd WR 5. (56) F.Jones RB 6. (65) D.Clark TE 7. (80) Julio Jones WR 8. (89) Beanie Wells RB 9. (104) Hightower RB 10. (113) Stafford QB 11. (128) Lance Moore WR 12. (137) Roy Helu RB 13. (152) Danny Amendola WR 14. (161) Greg Little WR 15. (176) Vince Young QB 16. (185) Alex Henry K 17. (200) Atlanta 18. (209) Jamie Harper RB

1. Arian Foster 2. Adrian Peterson 3. Ray Rice 4. Jamaal Charles 5. Chris Johnson 6. LeSean McCoy 7. Rashard Mendenhall 8. Darren McFadden 9. Maurice Jones-Drew 10. Peyton Hillis 11. Michael Turner 12. Matt Forte 13. Ahmad Bradshaw 14. Frank Gore 15. Steven Jackson 16. Shonn Green 17. LaGarrette Blount 18. Jhavid Best 19. Benjarvus Green-Ellis 20. Mark Ingram 21. Deangelo Williams 22. Ryan Mathews 23. Knowshon Moreno 24. Felix Jones 25. Chris Wells 26. Cedric Benson 27. Fred Jackson 28. Ryan Grant 29. Marshawn Lynch 30. Reggie Bush

1. Michael Vick 2. Aaron Rogers 3. Tom Brady 4. Phillip Rivers 5. Drew Brees 6. Peyton Manning 7. Tony Romo 8. Matt Schaub 9. Josh Freeman 10. Eli Manning 11. Ben Roethlisberger 12. Matt Stafford 13. Matt Ryan 14. Ryan Fitzpatrick 15. Sam Bradford 16. Matt Cassel 17. Joe Flacco 18. Jay Cutler 19. Kevin Kolb 20. Kyle Orton

1. Calvin Johnson 2. Roddy White 3. Hakeem Nicks 4. Andre Johnson 5. Larry Fitzgerald 6. Mike Wallace 7. Reggie Wayne 8. Greg Jennings 9. Miles Austin 10. Brandon Lloyd 11. Vincent Jackson 12. DeSean Jackson 13. Dwayne Bowe 14. Steve Johnson 15. Mike Williams (TB) 16. Dez Bryant 17. Santonio Holmes 18. Brandon Marshall 19. Anquan Boldin 20. Wes Welker 21. Mario Manningham 22. Percy Harvin 23. Chad Ochocinco 24. Marques Colston 25. Kenny Britt 26. Jeremy Maclin 27. Julio Jones 28. A.J. Green 29. Danny Amendola 30. Sidney Rice

I'm winning 84-33 going into tonight's matchups. Sounds great but the problem is that my opponent has 4 players remaining to my two. I have S.Rice & H.Nicks. He has E.Manning, A.Boldin, A.Peterson, and NYG Def. Standard scoring. No PPR. I feel like 51 points isn't going to be enough. It will most likely hinge entirely on Nicks' playing time/performance. Your thoughts?