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  1. Posted

    the scouting report I am looking at is comparing him to Herbert

    though maybe its stylistic  only..... 

    heres how it reads

    Strengths:   

    • Easy touch thrower who can change his speeds and trajectories with the control of an NFL veteran. 
    • capable scrambler with enough athleticism to get away from defensive linemen
    • smooth and consistent release helps to maintain his ball placement which give his receivers a runway after the catch.
    • quick decision maker who wont hesitate when he sees an opening.
    • eyes stay downfield and keep searching when plays break down
    • Natural on the move thrower who wont lose accuracy when forced to leave the platform
    • deep bal touch is excellent for a redshirt sophomore who lost his top receiving target in Josh Downs. 
    • feels pressure and adapts quickly within the pocket

    Weaknesses

    • Lacks any real elite traits that will elevate his game despite being well rounded as a player.
    • arm talent is adequate but not out of the ordinary for an NFL starter
    • release can be a bit winding when he is forced out of normal rhythm.
    • arm adjustability is still a work in progress and he will sail some passes when adjusting for pressure at the line as he drifted and threw off his back foot when pressure broke through against him

     

    I still have to look at the tape and I will admit this mag (which I normally dont buy but was in an airport waiting for a flight, so I took what I could get) isnt always on the mark with the scouting reports.    they are hit or miss at times.

    but if this report is to be believed I'd say he would thrive in a situation where he had a good O line.

     

  2. Posted

    3 hours ago, weepaws said:

    I thought taking off from a accident would be costly to those that left.  I guess they can’t prove it was you would be the benefit. 

    where I live, the penalty of leaving the scene of an accident is about the same as the penalty for a DUI.    this was done I suspect to keep people from leaving the scene of an accident.

    though I still think that the stigma of the DUI is worse than the stigma of leaving the scene of an accident even if the penalty is the same.   with the latter you could always claim you panicked or got scared or something.   the former, you were an idiot after having some drinks and decided to drive.

     

  3. Posted

    2 hours ago, weepaws said:

    To leave the scene? 

    maybe not the best case scenario in real life, but leaving the scene of the accident likely doesnt get him suspended.  he could play dumb and say he was scared of cops or something.    but the reality is a DUI in that scenario does likely get him some form of suspension.

    Leaving the scene?    maybe a fine?    I dont really anticipate a suspension from that though someone here may know better than I do on the matter.

  4. Posted

    3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

    Just spit balling here.  If you're the Patriots and have a LOT of needs on the line and in the skill positions.... is it worth trading down from #3 to get the Vikings 2 firsts and more picks next year?  At pick #11, they're not going to get Williams, Maye, or Daniels... but McCarthy may fall to them.  From all accounts, it sounds like Tennessee is going to stick with Levis, and I don't really know who else in the top 11... AZ (Murray), NYG (Jones), LAC (Herbert), ATL (Cousins), CHI (Williams), and NYJ (Rodgers), would want to take a QB.  I guess the Broncos or Raiders could be interested in trading up in front of NE (if they trade down to 11), I don't know.

    It would make sense for the Jets to grab a QB given Rodgers age, but I think there is a fair chance Rodgers has a freakout if thats the way it goes down.

    so maybe they draft a player for the O line or D line or just an immediate impact player  for elsewhere in the lineup.

  6. Posted

    2 hours ago, polecatt said:

    It's nearly impossible to win in the NFL with a trash OL, the teams with high picks usually have a trash OL.

    agreed.

    and so many of those teams fail to develop their high QB draft picks because the line isnt good.   its a major hindrance to developing a QB as a player at the NFL level

    If I were in charge, I'd trade away good players elsewhere to shore up the line before drafting my new QB.    it only makes sense if investing that much draft capital in one player, maybe giving that player some protection so he doesnt take too many hits would be a good investment. 

    but so many teams decide they dont need it.   in the last few years teams have gone for the running QB because the players legs will cover up faults in the line to some degree.   its a lazy way to develop.   You still need a good line if you have a running QB.

  7. Posted

    1 hour ago, polecatt said:

    I don't think any of these QBs will excel as a rookie in New England considering they don't have any good skill position players or an OL.

    That is an issue.

    Im a big fan of giving a rookie QB a solid line to play behind.   if the line is THAT bad, then the rookie should red shirt a year unless the rookie is so good he can overcome.

    given that there are lots of vets who would struggle to overcome a bad line I'd say its a fair bet that this is what they need to do if they draft Maye.

    of course there is always pressure from the fans to get the rookie in the game, but I actually see value in sitting the rookie for a year if they are able.

  8. Posted

    8 hours ago, weepaws said:

    It’s hard to imagine that Dobbins is going to be productive, and His Dobbins due back by the start of the season, does anyone know? I haven’t read any reports about him. 

    an achillies is plenty to concern yourself with.

    even if they announce hes the starter, I dont know that I blow an early pick on the guy.   I just cant justify it given the injury history.

    if hes available late in the draft that's where I'll bite because the potential return at that point justifies the cost.    Ideally last or second last round of the draft.   maybe a round or two earlier if they actually name him as the starter.

  9. Posted

    8 hours ago, DocNiner said:

    Yeah, his career so far doesn't suggest that he's a bellcow RB and trust me he won't be in L.A. I guarantee you that the Chargers will draft a RB in the 3rd or 4th round. There's some decent ones in the draft. Pretty sure we won't see one go in the 1st round so the Chargers will have the opportunity to grab one. I could be wrong but Edward's will not get bellcow carries. 

    no.  I suspect this may be a committee.   

    Gus the Bus-short yardage

    Dobbins(if they sign him) and unamed draftee likely split the rest.

    there may even be one more RB that they may draft or sign as Dobbins health may not be where it needs to be in week 1.

  10. Posted

    3 hours ago, weepaws said:

    I wouldn’t call it disappearing, I would call it nothing to do. Keepers, Dynasty leagues take up more time, but that’s not for many, it’s like playing house.  Imo. 

    I'm not saying theres not a reason for the disappearance.   you're right.  nothing to do.   so why waste your time.   most people will worry about next years draft next year.

    thats all there is to it.   but they are still mostly gone this time of year.

  11. Posted

    I think there is an accuracy issue with his throwing at times.   he looks like he sails a lot of throws.   some when under pressure, but some when throwing  normally.   interestingly enough the one scouting report suggests hes further along in his ability to throw the ball than Lamar was at this point in his career.   I find that a bit surprising but I have heard Lamar came a long way to get to where he is.  maybe I just didnt realize it.

  12. Posted

    looking at the tape.  its interesting that all the bad examples of decision making are cases where he ran the ball (or tried to escape a sack)and took a big hit.  This is coachable.

    interestingly enough, none of the bad decision making was as a result of throws.

    though I'm sure there has to be at least one good example of where he made a dumb decision throwing the ball.

  13. Posted

    15 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

    I easily get confused when discussing fantasy values, etc. I'm in a few Dynasty Leagues and our seasons never end, that's where my mind always goes 😊.

    I'll do a few redraft leagues but I prefer the roster building of Dynasty. 

    I have found the people who stay and participate in the offseason are usually in a keeper/dynasty league.

    the redrafters usually disappear until after the NFL draft, then they disappear again and come back when the exhibition season starts (spring training for the keeners)

  14. Posted

    15 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

    It depends on the league type. Redraft yes, dynasty Superflex hell no. 

    agreed.

    I dont like these generalized statements because there are always formats where a statement like this may be wrong.

    #1 rule of fantasy football is you make note of all the rules and play according to those rules.

    not all leagues run a standard format or a PPR format.    and the way you draft in dynasty will differ from the way you draft in a redraft league.

    and NFL drafting is different from both in most cases.

  17. Posted

    ok looking at the bad accuracy ones,  it looks like hes not getting a proper  plant and throw motion on those.

    I acknowledge the first one (7:10)  was partly created by the RB being slow in coming in to take the fake handoff.  his arrival later than expected likely prevented him from doing his foot plant to get the ball there on time and the quick flick at the WR was behind him.

    the second one at 9:56 I wasnt real happy with his foot plant, but something about the throwing motion wasnt quite right.   trying to figure out where the mechanics broke down but I've seen a couple of these types now on the tape and its making me think he has some work on his mechanics that needs to be done too.

    dont get me wrong.  theres a lot of good here, but I dont know that I'd want this guy at #1 overall unless you have a real good QB coach and QB development plan.   And the Bears are not a team that seems to have good luck developing young QB.

     

     

  18. Posted

    ok in looking at the doug Orth film,  he noted that at 0:30 that that was a case of bad decision making.     I disagree.  receiver was wide open.   he had pressure in his face and he floated the ball and it went over his head and was intercepted.

    its not entirely clear cut because  the defender was in his face and prevented him from putting more zip on the ball.     At the NFL level that ball likely gets batted at the line so maybe it does fit into decision making.   its a bit of a grey area.    Though I think accuracy is the more relevant category on that.

     

    same with the play at 1:47 of the tape.   That may also be accuracy.  once again the ball didnt have the zip you necessarily want (likely due to pressure once again) but the ball was behind the WR who then had to slow down and the lack of zip on the ball allowed the defender to close the gap.    I think this is also better classified as accuracy  though once again at the NFL level, the pressure in his face is likely more substantial and that ball might get picked even if its on target unless there is significant zip on the ball.   so maybe it is decision making.   its also a grey area.

     

    but some of the cases of bad decision making are absolutely brutal.  makes me wonder if the bears are dumping their starter to bring in a younger version of the same player. (assuming its caleb they want)

    I still have lots of tape to go through but just some commentary on what I've seen so far.

  19. Posted

    2 hours ago, defectivesupport said:

    There is also a small chance he is vying for a slightly lower pick to get onto an org he likes more instead of teams like the cardinals. 

    well, I wouldnt wanna play for the cards.   I feel like that org is a train wreck.

    so I could see that being the case.    Though the cat may already be out of the bag (so to speak)    I doubt hes going outside of the top 8 or 10 picks and he could very well be top 5.

    If the Cards have decided on him already I dont see them changing their mind.

  20. Posted

    1 hour ago, weepaws said:

    He’s not going to give you a lot of productive runs, but he’s a goal line dude,  Chargers have to address a lot of issues this offseason. Not a lot of upside for Herbert as a ff Qb at this time imo.  

    no.   both starting WR and the starting, pass catching bell cow all gone, it doesnt look great.

    I would have at least kept Allen to mentor whoever they decide to draft.

    you'd like to hope the team knows what they are doing but I am skeptical

  21. Posted

    45 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

    I was thrilled to pick up Edwards off WW during the Ravens Rb shuffle last year. After I got him I immediately searched "Gus Edwards highlights" on Youtube.

    Color me disappointed. And those were the highlights. No juke, no speed... just plod forward until touched. I guess that's good enough to be a goal-line back, but that's about it.

    yep.   you nailed it.

    in short yardage, if the line gives a good push, he will get you 2-3 yards every time. 

    if you need 4 or 5 yards he likely still gets you 3 yards every time.(maybe 4)

    Thats the problem with him.

    of course with Herbert at QB if you are consistently getting 2nd and 7 it opens up more options in the playbook.  maybe thats good enough.

    that is.... assuming Herbert has someone to throw the ball to.     

  22. Posted

    well, I'm going to be looking at tape.  but I've read scouting reports from 2 sources and I think what has people intrigued is the skillset. 

    the scouting reports dont actually say it but reading between the lines, he is far from being a finished product in terms of his ability to read, make good, quick decisions etc.

    normally when I see this on a scouting report I think late first, early 2nd round but people seem to be so sure hes the next Mahomes.   

    flaws in decision making can be fixed with coaching to an extent.    but the long time holding the ball is also concerning for me.   Granted I dont know if he holds the ball a long time because he can (good protection) or because hes running with the ball.    and the scouting report from the cheezy magazine I bought doesnt say.   though I'm gonna look at the tape Doug provides of examples of what he speaks of and then I'll look at some independent tape.  at that point I'll have a better feel for what this kid is about.

  23. Posted

    10 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

    I think it's pretty simple that every atlanta skill position player gets a decent bump. Cousins doesn't need to be Mahomes. He is a very good NFL and Fantasy QB and such a huge improvement over that this offense has had since these young weapons came into the league. 

    London - should get the biggest boost. Doesn't need to be Justin Jefferson. Jefferson is not the only receiving weapon Cousins has been able to utilize in his career.

    Pitts - a small bump because he was already being drafted higher than he deserved in previous years based on unrealized potential but his production might be now or never as he finally has a legit QB. 

    Robinson - hard to give an ADP bump to a guy people were falling all over themselves to draft in the first several picks. In terms of actual production, I think his biggest boost will come from the new offensive scheme. Of course, Cousins and the threat of an actual passing game will help open up lanes. 

    not much to argue with here.   I 100% agree on London. hes due for a very good year.

    Robinson will be better too.   anytime the offense as a whole is better, the numbers for the RB will also be better.    Especially in terms of TD

    Pitts also better.  but Cousins isnt a QB known for utilizing his TE in a way to get top numbers but I do think he will recognize the talent and he will put up draftable numbers for sure.

  24. Posted

    ok looking at the scout report as noted I dont like that his decision making rating is as low as it is.   I also dont like how long he hangs onto the ball.   at the NFL level thats trouble.

    feels like he may be no better than the QB hes replacing in Chicago.

    granted, reading a scouting report is different than watching him play so I'll try to watch some tape but looking at Doug's analysis of him I'd say hes not as good as I'd like him to be for a #1 overall pick.

  25. Posted

    1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

    I agree with the Harrison comp for sure.

    Nabers just blew a 4.35, I think Deebo ran 4.48. Nabers can do it all, he'll be more of a target monger than Deebo. My comp would be Jamar Chase or OBJ, oddly enough both from LSU but all with very similar profiles. 

    I think that was more a stylistic comparable moreso than an actual comparable.

    he does run sweeps and reverses like Deebo would but he doesnt lineup as a RB like Deebo would (though he may be capable of this)

    based on the scouting report his pass catching ability looks like it may be better than what deebos is.    Hes a lot faster than Deebo ever was.

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