EMoney 0 Posted May 21, 2004 I don't like starting 1 RB and 3 WR and then a Flex after that. Why don't we drop down to 14 teams if it takes that to get 2 RB per team as starters? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OB1 33 Posted May 21, 2004 I think it makes sense to just have one fraft of 24 rounds this summer. You can take 24 rookies if that's what you want, or take 24 guys ages thirty five and over. Agreed, as I stated earlier, I am definitely in favor of just one draft this year. I like the dynamic of people having to completely decide within one draft whether to build a team for now or set themselves up for the future. With an extra rookie draft everyone will get a few young guys and thus can hedge their bets a bit. I think after this year each of our rookie drafts should be 4 rounds. As for Clarett and Williams, my stance is simple, all or nothing. Either they are in this draft and the team holds onto them all year until they finally play, or they are off limits until next year's rookie draft. They should not be on the waiver wire under any circumstances. I lean towards them in this draft because it makes it interesting when to take a chance on them. Plus, they MIGHT play this year and they might not. Sounds a lot like half of the rookies we'll be picking anyway to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EMoney 0 Posted May 21, 2004 I think we must have a waiver wire priority system set in place if this is a dynasty league and free agents are much more important than they are in redrafts. also, No decimal scoring please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted May 21, 2004 also, No decimal scoring please Why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buffington 3 Posted May 21, 2004 I don't like starting 1 RB and 3 WR and then a Flex after that. Why don't we drop down to 14 teams if it takes that to get 2 RB per team as starters? I've read everything over and agree with the rules proposed, but I agree with Emoney about this. I think 2 RB and 2 WR with a flex is the way to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted May 21, 2004 I don't like starting 1 RB and 3 WR and then a Flex after that. Why don't we drop down to 14 teams if it takes that to get 2 RB per team as starters? I've read everything over and agree with the rules proposed, but I agree with Emoney about this. I think 2 RB and 2 WR with a flex is the way to go. I can't agree. Think of the NFL bye weeks. Only 28 starting running backs are available. We'd basically all be agreeing to have to start someone like a Ron Dayne or Tony Richardson when a regular starter is on bye. I'd be comfortable with 1 RB + 2 WR + 2 Flex or with 1 RB + 3 WR + 1 Flex (I can go with OB1's 1/3/1 here and be fine with it). But having to start 2 RB's would be something I would not support. Oh, and I hate non-decimal scoring. :ph34r: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orgazmo 2 Posted May 22, 2004 Req has 12 teams and 11 starters per team. For 16 teams 11 would be too many. The normal 9 seems about right. 1 QB 1 TE 1 K 1 DT 5 RB/WR with a minimum 1 RB and minimum 2 or 3 WR (with either 1 or 2 flexes) The point per catch would be worth keeping, IMO. I see a combination 5 RB/WR with a minimum of 1 RB. It's what I've been accustomed to over the years. 1 RB + 4 WR is a combination that has served many, including myself, just fine. The flexibility is there to start two RBs for those armed with good ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buffington 3 Posted May 22, 2004 My main contention is to avoid this becoming such a heavy WR laden league. We already award 1pt per reception and now some will be starting 4 WRs. It doesn't matter much, I suck in this league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby 0 Posted May 22, 2004 My main contention is to avoid this becoming such a heavy WR laden league. We already award 1pt per reception and now some will be starting 4 WRs. It doesn't matter much, I suck in this league. Don;t you suck in any league??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OB1 33 Posted May 22, 2004 My main contention is to avoid this becoming such a heavy WR laden league. We already award 1pt per reception and now some will be starting 4 WRs. It doesn't matter much, I suck in this league. IMO it's the lesser of the two evils. If you start a minimum of 2 RBs and THEN add a flex, people can start 3 RBs in a 16 team league. The first 2 rounds of the draft will be almost exclusively RBs. Also, like jgalt said, during bye weeks where there are only 28 teams in play, that means there will be at least 4 RBs (and almost definitely more since some team will start 3) starting on our teams that definitely won't be starting on an NFL team. Hello Ron Dayne, Zack Crockett types. Making the minimum 1 RB allows you flexibility. Also, the 1 pt per reception rule only really helps the top end WRs. Lots of RBs catch 40+ passes in a year, and to be honest, that rule makes guys like Barber, Dunn, and Staley a heck of a lot more valuable than they would have been. IMO this rule actually increases the number of startable RBs. One more counter point. Even if every team in our league started the max 4 WR in a given week, that's 64, the same number that starts in the NFL on non bye weeks. Under your proposed rules if everyone started 3 RBs in a given week that would be 48, 16 more than the number that starts every non bye week in the NFL. Fantasy is so far skewed to RBs under standard rules, especially in a 16 team league. I think we need to balance the scale a little bit. If the majority of the league disagrees i'll begrugingly go along with it, but I feel strongly about this. I'd compromise with a 5 WR/RB combo where it was 1RB, 2WR, 2 FLEX, but I will definitely argue against a 2 RB minimum + a flex. If we went to a 2 RB minimum, then we can't have a flex at all, and even that I don't like in a league this large. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buffington 3 Posted May 22, 2004 blah, BLAH, BLAH!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orgazmo 2 Posted May 22, 2004 blah, BLAH, BLAH!!!! OB1, this is what happens when you let scientologists in a league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted May 22, 2004 Also, I'd suggest that in most cases you can count on more scoring from a team's 3rd WR than you can from a team's back-up RB. The heavy RBBC situations are different, but even then you don't know how much the back-up will play (the coach often sticks with the guy who starts the game best). The 3rd WR is typically on the field for any 3rd down longer than 2 yards and any 2nd down and 8 or more. Add in that a 5 yard slant pattern gets you 1.5 pts plus the yards after catch and the 3rd WR becomes more attractive than a slow lumbering power back who gets less than 4 yards per carry. Then factor in the scarcity factor (32 3rd WR's play while many back-up RB's do not if stuck behind Holmes or Tomlinson or several others). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EMoney 0 Posted May 22, 2004 I'm still sceptical about the starting only one RB thing. We get more RBBC every year in the NFL. It seems like on quite a few teams you can easily find a secondary role back that gets yardage or tds. I've been in 16 team leagues that start 2 RBs before and have seen it work out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OB1 33 Posted May 22, 2004 I'm still sceptical about the starting only one RB thing. We get more RBBC every year in the NFL. It seems like on quite a few teams you can easily find a secondary role back that gets yardage or tds. I've been in 16 team leagues that start 2 RBs before and have seen it work out. Again, Teams can start 2 RBs if they so chose when it is 1rb 3wr 1flex or 1rb 2wr 2flex. This league was a 16 team league that started 2 RBs, it obviously can work. If we are going to have any flex players though, then I think it is a big mistake to require 2 starting RBs. It will completely skew the draft to RBs, and will put the people at the end of the draft in a bad spot. They will almost be forced to reach for RBs or risk playing catch up in that position for a few years. With one or more teams starting 3 RBs, and you know it will happen, that will leave someone starting some scrub on a weekly basis no matter what. It might be a different team and a different scrub, but it will happen year after year because there are only so many productive RBs, and you will be asking our league to start at least 32 of them, and have the ability to start as many as 48, People seem to like flex, i'm luke warm about it, but we were trying to do some different things to make this league unique. My stance on the issue will stand at this: If we go with a flex, then we only require 1 RB, 2wr, and then the two flex. If you don't like the 1 RB requirement, then we should stick with the same lineps as last year: 2rb, 3wr and have no flex spots. Also, TEs should be required, there are plenty of ood young TEs out there now to have it's own spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted May 22, 2004 How are going to finally decide this one? If we vote, I'd like to suggest we don't do it with a poll. The current bored set up allows anyone to vote and hence those with aliases get more than one as well as outsides being able to vote. I'd suggest just starting a thread and asking for everyone to post their choice. Also, we need to decide on a fraft start date and how long we shuld wait for the two laggards to roll the bones before someone does it for them. We have no contact infor for CB yet, and while we can at least use the bored mail feature to send a note to WCG that's not the best way to do that. Maybe we should compile a list of open items and start working out some threads to decide them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted May 22, 2004 a list of open stuff: a> how many teams make the playoffs and how many regular season weeks (#2 vs #5 on the sixteen team league structure thread) b> when do we start the fraft c> starters, nine total seems to have everyone's support but how many RB's and WR's and Flexes does not d> negative points for turnovers and missed kicks and allowing lot's of points scored against e> I guess we're already voting on MW and MC so that's taken care of f> how to handle waivers and how many per season per team there may be more ... like do we really need to decide on decimal scoring or not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OB1 33 Posted May 22, 2004 a list of open stuff: a> how many teams make the playoffs and how many regular season weeks (#2 vs #5 on the sixteen team league structure thread) b> when do we start the fraft c> starters, nine total seems to have everyone's support but how many RB's and WR's and Flexes does not d> negative points for turnovers and missed kicks and allowing lot's of points scored against e> I guess we're already voting on MW and MC so that's taken care of f> how to handle waivers and how many per season per team there may be more ... like do we really need to decide on decimal scoring or not? I was just going to say that a new thread with all of the open issues would be a good idea. We can list the two options on each issue and have each owner submit their choice on each item in one thread. I'll work on that later, but right now I need to hop in the shower and get ready to go out. We need to decide some options for the draft. I am pretty open, but it looks like a few other's arent. Plus, where the hell are windy and corner? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orgazmo 2 Posted May 22, 2004 Plus, where the hell are windy and corner? [cough] 14 teams [/cough] :ph34r: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted May 22, 2004 Plus, where the hell are windy and corner? CB has no daytime at work access, I do know that much. Yet I haven't seen him listed in the bored users area at all since we started working on this stuff (even late in the day after he'd be off work - when I'm still at the office since I'm in CA and he's in GA). I'd seen WCG listed in the bored users area all day and evening Thursday (at least I think it was THU - it was definately after we started rolling for fraft orders), so I don't know what's up with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted May 22, 2004 Plus, where the hell are windy and corner? [cough] 14 teams [/cough] :ph34r: Worth considering, but then toss out all the ideas on the divisions and schedules and start over... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted May 22, 2004 Plus, where the hell are windy and corner? I found an email address for CB by trolling through his old posts. If it's still used and correct, there's hope he'll show up. Anyway - message sent to him. :ph34r: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EMoney 0 Posted May 22, 2004 Plus, where the hell are windy and corner? [cough] 14 teams [/cough] :ph34r: Worth considering, but then toss out all the ideas on the divisions and schedules and start over... If we can't find either of the two guys I'd support moving on with 14 and figuring out some new division setup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cornerback 0 Posted May 23, 2004 Thanks for the e-mail galt ... I'm in if you want me ... If 14 teams suits the league better then I'll sit out until needed, if at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cornerback 0 Posted May 23, 2004 Req has 12 teams and 11 starters per team. For 16 teams 11 would be too many. The normal 9 seems about right. 1 QB 1 TE 1 K 1 DT 5 RB/WR with a minimum 1 RB and minimum 2 or 3 WR (with either 1 or 2 flexes) The point per catch would be worth keeping, IMO. I like this also. 16 team leagues are challenging no matter the rules it seems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoisjgalt 0 Posted May 23, 2004 I added the draft threads so that there can be three of us who can update them (the two mods and the guy who started the threads). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OB1 33 Posted May 24, 2004 I added the draft threads so that there can be three of us who can update them (the two mods and the guy who started the threads). Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites